The recall that never ends

[obermd]

I read as much of the NASA report to the NHTSA as I could understand. NASA did NOT rule out an electrical or mechanical problem with the Toyotas. They did state that the ONE car they studied didn't exhibit any electrical or mechanical problems that could cause unintended acceleration.

Face it, cars are extremely complex and as with any sufficiently complex systems, unexpected and unintended emergent behaviors will occur. The reason automatics have the brake interlock system was because of a problem in some Audi's in the late 80s jumping when put into gear.

[chevycruze2012]

Well i aint afraid to bash toyota...Just ordered and installed new struts and some other replacements parts for the 99 i drive to and from work while my cruze is sitting out for the winter...and not long after i got those installed, the struts already broke, the engine blew at 200k..put another engine it from junkyard and its got 50k extra on the car so its bound to blow anytime. Ill say this toyota fans, that my 2000 cavalier i had before my cruze, i didnt have to put a dime into anything major...just oil changes and light maintanance for a whole five years, but i went ahead and put in 5 grand in it. Mostly the motor and suspension that would over perform any new toyota, ford, dodge, nissan, suburu, and kia in its class. It **** near handles just as good as the cruze after all the new stuff i put into it.(kyb struts, new control arms and bushings, wheel bearings, tie rods, all new brake components, the whole nine). Im not completely bashing toyota saying they are **** but i would choose chevrolet over any of those other brands anytime, anywhere. They cant compete..Period. Dont mean to offend anyone but ive had nothing but issues with toyota, ford, and dodge. To be honest, im more of an exotic car person and muscle car person. Mainly chevrolet muscle cars, but anything is cool in both. CHEVROLET HANDS DOWN!!!!

[jblackburn]

Well i aint afraid to bash toyota...Just ordered and installed new struts and some other replacements parts for the 99 i drive to and from work while my cruze is sitting out for the winter...and not long after i got those installed, the struts already broke, the engine blew at 200k..put another engine it from junkyard and its got 50k extra on the car so its bound to blow anytime. Ill say this toyota fans, that my 2000 cavalier i had before my cruze, i didnt have to put a dime into anything major...just oil changes and light maintanance for a whole five years, but i went ahead and put in 5 grand in it. Mostly the motor and suspension that would over perform any new toyota, ford, dodge, nissan, suburu, and kia in its class. It **** near handles just as good as the cruze after all the new stuff i put into it.(kyb struts, new control arms and bushings, wheel bearings, tie rods, all new brake components, the whole nine). Im not completely bashing toyota saying they are **** but i would choose chevrolet over any of those other brands anytime, anywhere. They cant compete..Period. Dont mean to offend anyone but ive had nothing but issues with toyota, ford, and dodge. To be honest, im more of an exotic car person and muscle car person. Mainly chevrolet muscle cars, but anything is cool in both. CHEVROLET HANDS DOWN!!!!

Wait, so you expect the suspension on the Cruze to hold up for 12 years/200K miles? That's...not going to happen. I can already tell you that my shocks on this car are going to wear out before 100K miles on this car.

Any car you buy is going to have issues a few years down the road. I sure wasn't too mad when my Volvo needed a wheel bearing, new CV joints, and new struts at 190,000 miles.

200K miles is bad for an engine for a car that was probably not properly taken care of before you owned it? I've seen cars with lesser miles explode on the side of the road. A friend's Saturn Ion (using the same engine that your Cavvy did) shot a rod through the side of the block going down the highway, and another friend's Contour cracked the engine block just going around town.

I think it's hilarious when people complain about issues with a car 10+ years old and then say that so-and-so manufacturer isn't reliable. I had a 1988 Accord that was 18 years old at the time I got rid of it, and it was the biggest POS I've ever owned - broke down almost every 2 months without fail. Would I tell someone not to buy a Honda? Nope. Tons of other people (my parents have had 3 with 0 issues besides that one) have had great experiences with the brand.

[chevycruze2012]

Its not likely that it will on any car...thats not what i said or getting at. It takes the right person to make things last on a car and take good care of them. My suspension in my cruze would last significantly long because well...one im very particular..two im mechanically inclined, i taught everything i know about auto myself...three the susp on the rear of the cruze is mainly just a spring which has greater chance of lasting longer bec it doesnt contain a strut/shock. Think about this senario...I race sprintcars(used to anyway..and now my brother races my stuff) there is shocks on the front and back of the racecar ok. Going around corners at 140+mph on dirt will overwork shocks in compression ratios. Same idea with automotive...Bumbs, turns, main driving wears out struts and shocks quicker. With the rears having just a spring on the cruze, it WILL LAST a looooooooong time. Longer than alot of other brands cars. My cavalier (if i still had it) would outlast older and newer cars from ford, dodge, toyota, nissan, honda, and kia. And i say that in extremely high confidence. Not trying to offend anyone but it was my car for 5 years and never had to put a dime in it bec i had to, i did bec i wanted to bec i thought i was gonna keep it, but didnt =[. Im even more happy with my cruze, so i dont miss my cavalier much.

[Hoon]

Wait, so you expect the suspension on the Cruze to hold up for 12 years/200K miles? That's...not going to happen. I can already tell you that my shocks on this car are going to wear out before 100K miles on this car.

That's expected. Shocks don't work too well after about 40K. It should be a yearly maintenance item on a lot of German cars.

By buddy's '12 Focus is already crashing through the suspension with 28K miles.

[obermd]

It really depends on the shocks in question. I never replaced the shocks in either of my mini-vans in 22 years (12 and 10) of ownership. Never had a problem with them either and I had them checked every 30K expecting to replace them. Based on my experiences I don't expect have to replace the shocks until close to 75-100K miles. My wife had a Pontiac Sunbird that needed shock replacement around 80K miles.

[cwerdna]

lol yet Americans still think toyota is the best,and made in America lmao

Toyota has a huge presence in the US. See TOYOTA IN THE UNITED STATES.

From Toyota | November 2012 Sales Chart, thru November 2012, 70.3% of Toyota vehicles sold in the US were built in North America.

And there's Camry Edges Out F-150 for 'Most American' in Cars.com Index.

If anyone's curious about the details of the settlement, it looks like more documents have gone up at http://www.toyotaelsettlement.com/Home/CaseDocs. There used to be only 1 PDF.

From what I saw before, it looks like the lawyers are getting $200 million.

There is also http://news.consumerreports.org/cars...nues-fall.html, http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/m...rightYear=2012 along with http://wheels.blogs.nytimes.com/2012...ew-car-values/

Toyota models and models from the company’s Lexus luxury division were the best values in 6 of the 10 Consumer Reports categories, and three of those were hybrids (the Prius, Prius V and Camry).

(Yeah yeah... a bunch of guys are going to slam me about CR.) So, here's also http://businesscenter.jdpower.com/ne...spx?ID=2012008.

[cwerdna]

Nobody will ever convince me that there wasn't something to the unintended acceleration claims. Due to the amount of scams that were being pulled when the knowledge got out, we will never know what the true cause was.

I have an older customer who had a 2006 Corolla. She started it up and went through her backyard fence and her neighbour's fence. Toyota repaired the car and performed the floormat recall etc. A month later, she starts the car up, puts it in reverse and ends up plowing into 3 parked cars writing it off.

Keep in mind, this all happened months before I started seeing SUA reports online and in the news.

Even I will agree that it's still impossible to rule out some electronic fault or some other unknown and unresolved cause.

But... notice that after all the recalls (retrofit sticky accelerator pedal assemblies, replace floor mats, etc.) that the Toyota SUA media attention is virtually all gone now? So, it does seem that they did fix most (or all?) of the potential causes.

[jsusanka]

It really depends on the shocks in question. I never replaced the shocks in either of my mini-vans in 22 years (12 and 10) of ownership. Never had a problem with them either and I had them checked every 30K expecting to replace them. Based on my experiences I don't expect have to replace the shocks until close to 75-100K miles. My wife had a Pontiac Sunbird that needed shock replacement around 80K miles.

totally agree - our civic had 120,000 miles and we replaced only the right front shock at around 80,000 miles. The dealer saw it leaking. I said shouldn't we replace the left front too they said no you can replace one shock at a time and they said you only need to replace it if it is leaking otherwise it is fine. thought that was strange but the suspension never gave us problems only that one shock.

[H3LLON3ARTH]

totally agree - our civic had 120,000 miles and we replaced only the right front shock at around 80,000 miles. The dealer saw it leaking. I said shouldn't we replace the left front too they said no you can replace one shock at a time and they said you only need to replace it if it is leaking otherwise it is fine. thought that was strange but the suspension never gave us problems only that one shock.

Wow tags crazy they only replaced one we usually replace in pairs but I've also done all for when one was bad.

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