Romney faces ethics charges

[rmass09]

this story may get a lot of play in Ohio and Michigan.

Oh the joy, just what I need, more political ads.....one of the worst things about this state is the big election years...

[mabzmuzik]

• Romney flip flops
  
  
  “I believe that since Roe v. Wade has been the law for 20 years we should sustain and support it.” Source
  “Roe v. Wade has gone too far.” Source
  “I don’t line up with the NRA.” Source
  “I’m a member of the [NRA].” Source
  “I like mandates. The mandates work.” Source
  “I think it’s unconstitutional on the 10th Amendment front.” Source
  “I respect and will protect a woman’s right to choose.” Source
  “I never really called myself pro-choice.” Source
  “I saw my father march with Martin Luther King.” Source
  “I did not see it with my own eyes.” Source
  “I supported the assault weapon ban.” Source
  “I don’t support any gun control legislation.” Source
  “I think the minimum wage ought to keep pace with inflation.” Source
  “There’s no question raising the minimum wage excessively causes a loss of jobs.” Source
  “I will work and fight for stem cell research.” Source
  “In the end, I became persuaded that the stem-cell debate was grounded in a false premise.” Source
  “I would like to have campaign spending limits.” Source
  “The American people should be free to advocate for their candidates and their positions without burdensome limitations.” Source
  “I’m a strong believer in stating your position and not wavering.” Source
  “I changed my position.” Source
  “Detroit needs a turnaround, not a check.” Source
  “I’ll take a lot of credit for the fact that this industry’s come back.” Source
  “I’m not in favor of privatizing Social Security or making cuts.” Source
  “Social Security’s the easiest and that’s because you can give people a personal account.” Source
  “I’m not trying to return to Reagan-Bush.” Source
  “Ronald Reagan is… my hero.” Source
  “I’ve been a hunter pretty much all my life.” Source
  “Any description of my being a hunter is an overstatement of capability.” Source
  “If Massachusetts succeeds in implementing it, then that will be a model for the nation.” Source
  “What works in one state may not be the answer for another.” Source
  “It was not my desire to go off and serve in Vietnam.” Source
  “I longed in many respects to actually be in Vietnam and be representing our country there.” Source
  “It’s a tax cut for fat cats.” Source
  “I believe the tax on capital gains should be zero.” Source
  “It’s not worth moving heaven and earth spending billions of dollars just trying to catch one person.” Source
  “He’s going to pay, and he will die.” Source
  “Relative to the leading candidates, some people see me as being more conservative.” Source
  “I’m not the most conservative candidate.” “I’m not the most conservative candidate.” Source
  “The TARP program… was nevertheless necessary to keep banks from collapsing in a cascade of failures.” Source
  “When government is… bailing out banks… we have every good reason to be alarmed.” Source
  “These carbon emission limits will provide real and immediate progress.” Source
  “Republicans should never abandon pro-growth conservative principles in an effort to embrace the ideas of Al Gore.” Source
  “This is a completely airtight kennel mounted on the top of our car.” Source
  ‘They’re not happy that my dog loves fresh air.” Source
  “Those… paying taxes and not taking government benefits should begin a process toward application for citizenship.” Source
  “Amnesty only led to more people coming into the country.” Source
  “When I first heard of the Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell policy, I thought it sounded awfully silly.” Source
  “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell has worked well.” Source
  
  
  
  

  
  

[rmass09]

Adding Debt & Raising the Debt Ceiling

As a Senator, Obama opposed raising the debt ceiling, and said adding 4 trillion in was ”unpatriotic”. As President, he insisted the debt ceiling be raised and has added substantially more than 4 trillion to the debt.
Bush Tax Cuts

In 2008, Obama said that, as President, he would repeal the Bush tax cuts for the rich. In 2010, he extended those cuts.

Spending Freezes

In 2008, Obama derided spending freezes as ”using a hatchet where you need a scalpel” and ”unfair burden-sharing”. He said that, although it’s ”proposed periodically”, a spending freeze ”doesn’t happen”. In 2010, Obama announced support for a three-year federal spending freeze on discretionary spending not related to national security.
Earmarks

In 2008, Obama’s campaign said that, as President, he would reduce earmarks ”to less than $7.8 billion a year, the level they were at before 1994″. Earmarks for fiscal year 2010 were more than $15 billion

Iraq Surge

Obama originally opposed the Iraq surge and claimed that extra troops would not do anything to quell sectarian violence. However, after the surge was clearly successful, Obama suggested that everyone knew the surge would decrease violence in Iraq.
Military Action without Congressional Approval

“President Obama has shown a striking lack of consistency with regard to the question of Congressional authorisation and the use of force. In a 2007 interview with The Boston Globe, then Senator Obama declared:

“The President does not have power under the Constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation. In instances of self-defense, the President would be within his constitutional authority to act before advising Congress or seeking its consent. History has shown us time and again, however, that military action is most successful when it is authorized and supported by the Legislative branch. It is always preferable to have the informed consent of Congress prior to any military action.”

However, as President in March 2011, Barack Obama authorized military action against the Libyan regime without consulting Congress, a decision which drew heavy fire on Capitol Hill

Abandoning Mubarak in Egypt after calling him a “stalwart ally”

“Big picture foreign policy strategy has not been a forté of this administration, as demonstrated by its inconsistent policy on Egypt and the Middle East. In an interview with the BBC’s Justin Webb in June 2009, when asked if he viewed President Mubarak as an authoritarian ruler, President Obama declared:

No, I tend not to use labels for folks. I haven’t met him; I’ve spoken to him on the phone. He has been a stalwart ally, in many respects, to the United States. He has sustained peace with Israel, which is a very difficult thing to do in that region, but he has never resorted to unnecessary demagoguing of the issue and has tried to maintain that relationship. So I think he has been a force for stability and good in the region.

20 months later, the White House emphatically called for Mubarak to go”.

Gas Prices

Obama, along with many other leading Democrats, blamed George W. Bush for high gas prices when he was President. Yet now that prices have reached near record highs under his administration, Obama is claiming that he has no control of those prices. Furthermore, Obama has previously said he supports a gradual shift to higher gas prices, but now laughs off the claim that he is rooting for higher prices to reduce dependency.
Cap and Trade

In 2008,Obama saidthat, as president, he would“set a hard cap on all carbon emissions at a level that scientists say is necessary to curbglobal warming– an 80% reduction by 2050″. No cap and trade legislation has been passed.
Selling Oil from Strategic Reserve

In July 2007, Obama rejected selling oil from the Strategic Petroleum Reserve, which he said should be “reserved for a genuine emergency.” A month later, Obama said, “We should sell 70 million barrels of oil from our Strategic Petroleum Reserve for less expensive crude, which in the past has loweredgas priceswithin two weeks”, even though gas prices were higher in July 2007 than in August 2007

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Theres lots more here if you'd like to read
President Flip Flop: Barack Obama

[mabzmuzik]

Theres lots more here if you'd like to read
President Flip Flop: Barack Obama

[/QUOTE]


I will take a look at this, thank you for link. I like reading this regardless of if it's Obama or Romney. Both are full of crap IMHO

[obermd]

OK - these two posts are a perfect example showing both men are politicians. It is an unfortunate truth that our polictical system requires this type of flip-flopping. You have to cater to the extremists in your party to get nominated. Then you have to cater to the moderates in both major parties as well as the large percentage of independents in this country in order to win the general election. If you list the dates for each statement & position you can tell who the audience is at the time.

• Romney flip flops
  
  
  “I believe that since Roe v. Wade has been the law for 20 years we should sustain and support it.” Source
  “Roe v. Wade has gone too far.” Source
  “I don’t line up with the NRA.” Source
  “I’m a member of the [NRA].” Source
  “I like mandates. The mandates work.” Source
  “I think it’s unconstitutional on the 10th Amendment front.” Source
  “I respect and will protect a woman’s right to choose.” Source
  “I never really called myself pro-choice.” Source
  “I saw my father march with Martin Luther King.” Source
  “I did not see it with my own eyes.” Source
  “I supported the assault weapon ban.” Source
  “I don’t support any gun control legislation.” Source
  “I think the minimum wage ought to keep pace with inflation.” Source
  “There’s no question raising the minimum wage excessively causes a loss of jobs.” Source
  “I will work and fight for stem cell research.” Source
  “In the end, I became persuaded that the stem-cell debate was grounded in a false premise.” Source
  “I would like to have campaign spending limits.” Source
  “The American people should be free to advocate for their candidates and their positions without burdensome limitations.” Source
  “I’m a strong believer in stating your position and not wavering.” Source
  “I changed my position.” Source
  “Detroit needs a turnaround, not a check.” Source
  “I’ll take a lot of credit for the fact that this industry’s come back.” Source
  “I’m not in favor of privatizing Social Security or making cuts.” Source
  “Social Security’s the easiest and that’s because you can give people a personal account.” Source
  “I’m not trying to return to Reagan-Bush.” Source
  “Ronald Reagan is… my hero.” Source
  “I’ve been a hunter pretty much all my life.” Source
  “Any description of my being a hunter is an overstatement of capability.” Source
  “If Massachusetts succeeds in implementing it, then that will be a model for the nation.” Source
  “What works in one state may not be the answer for another.” Source
  “It was not my desire to go off and serve in Vietnam.” Source
  “I longed in many respects to actually be in Vietnam and be representing our country there.” Source
  “It’s a tax cut for fat cats.” Source
  “I believe the tax on capital gains should be zero.” Source
  “It’s not worth moving heaven and earth spending billions of dollars just trying to catch one person.” Source
  “He’s going to pay, and he will die.” Source
  “Relative to the leading candidates, some people see me as being more conservative.” Source
  “I’m not the most conservative candidate.” “I’m not the most conservative candidate.” Source
  “The TARP program… was nevertheless necessary to keep banks from collapsing in a cascade of failures.” Source
  “When government is… bailing out banks… we have every good reason to be alarmed.” Source
  “These carbon emission limits will provide real and immediate progress.” Source
  “Republicans should never abandon pro-growth conservative principles in an effort to embrace the ideas of Al Gore.” Source
  “This is a completely airtight kennel mounted on the top of our car.” Source
  ‘They’re not happy that my dog loves fresh air.” Source
  “Those… paying taxes and not taking government benefits should begin a process toward application for citizenship.” Source
  “Amnesty only led to more people coming into the country.” Source
  “When I first heard of the Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell policy, I thought it sounded awfully silly.” Source
  “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell has worked well.” Source
  

• 
  
  

Adding Debt & Raising the Debt Ceiling

As a Senator, Obama opposed raising the debt ceiling, and said adding 4 trillion in was ”unpatriotic”. As President, he insisted the debt ceiling be raised and has added substantially more than 4 trillion to the debt.
Bush Tax Cuts

In 2008, Obama said that, as President, he would repeal the Bush tax cuts for the rich. In 2010, he extended those cuts.

Spending Freezes

In 2008, Obama derided spending freezes as ”using a hatchet where you need a scalpel” and ”unfair burden-sharing”. He said that, although it’s ”proposed periodically”, a spending freeze ”doesn’t happen”. In 2010, Obama announced support for a three-year federal spending freeze on discretionary spending not related to national security.
Earmarks

In 2008, Obama’s campaign said that, as President, he would reduce earmarks ”to less than $7.8 billion a year, the level they were at before 1994″. Earmarks for fiscal year 2010 were more than $15 billion

Iraq Surge

Obama originally opposed the Iraq surge and claimed that extra troops would not do anything to quell sectarian violence. However, after the surge was clearly successful, Obama suggested that everyone knew the surge would decrease violence in Iraq.
Military Action without Congressional Approval

“President Obama has shown a striking lack of consistency with regard to the question of Congressional authorisation and the use of force. In a 2007 interview with The Boston Globe, then Senator Obama declared:

“The President does not have power under the Constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation. In instances of self-defense, the President would be within his constitutional authority to act before advising Congress or seeking its consent. History has shown us time and again, however, that military action is most successful when it is authorized and supported by the Legislative branch. It is always preferable to have the informed consent of Congress prior to any military action.”

However, as President in March 2011, Barack Obama authorized military action against the Libyan regime without consulting Congress, a decision which drew heavy fire on Capitol Hill

Abandoning Mubarak in Egypt after calling him a “stalwart ally”

“Big picture foreign policy strategy has not been a forté of this administration, as demonstrated by its inconsistent policy on Egypt and the Middle East. In an interview with the BBC’s Justin Webb in June 2009, when asked if he viewed President Mubarak as an authoritarian ruler, President Obama declared:

No, I tend not to use labels for folks. I haven’t met him; I’ve spoken to him on the phone. He has been a stalwart ally, in many respects, to the United States. He has sustained peace with Israel, which is a very difficult thing to do in that region, but he has never resorted to unnecessary demagoguing of the issue and has tried to maintain that relationship. So I think he has been a force for stability and good in the region.

20 months later, the White House emphatically called for Mubarak to go”.

Gas Prices

Obama, along with many other leading Democrats, blamed George W. Bush for high gas prices when he was President. Yet now that prices have reached near record highs under his administration, Obama is claiming that he has no control of those prices. Furthermore, Obama has previously said he supports a gradual shift to higher gas prices, but now laughs off the claim that he is rooting for higher prices to reduce dependency.
Cap and Trade

In 2008,Obama saidthat, as president, he would“set a hard cap on all carbon emissions at a level that scientists say is necessary to curbglobal warming– an 80% reduction by 2050″. No cap and trade legislation has been passed.
Selling Oil from Strategic Reserve

In July 2007, Obama rejected selling oil from the Strategic Petroleum Reserve, which he said should be “reserved for a genuine emergency.” A month later, Obama said, “We should sell 70 million barrels of oil from our Strategic Petroleum Reserve for less expensive crude, which in the past has loweredgas priceswithin two weeks”, even though gas prices were higher in July 2007 than in August 2007

__________________________________________________ _____________________________

Theres lots more here if you'd like to read
President Flip Flop: Barack Obama

[steve333]

Missed one.
Obama-I will label GMOs
Obama-5 GMOs approved without safety testing, no labeling

[ErikBEggs]

I am going to pull my hair out if another anti-Obama person cites Obama as the cause of gas prices reaching record highs. Hate him all you want, but don't be ignorant. Gas prices have NOTHING to do with our president. It doesn't matter who is in office because it is based on the global market. We will NEVER see gas prices under $3 / gallon (average) again EVER unless India, China, and other countries stop putting more cars on the road. It is based on GLOBAL DEMAND, not United States politics. FACT: Our own oil is exported for profit. FACT: We are using LESS oil under the Obama administration then we had 10 years ago despite significantly more cars on the road!

[obermd]

The other thing everyone needs to remember is that until you are elected President by the Electoral College, you don't have access to all the information the President has. What this means is that a non-incumbent Presidential candidate can never fully implement their platform simply because they don't have the information needed to create a valid platform. In the case of a sitting President running for reelection, they run into national security issues that need to be kept secret even during their reelection campaign, again, forcing them to create a slightly invalid platform. All sitting Presidents since the end of WWII, including Obama, Bush, Clinton, etc., have had to do this balancing act with varying degrees of success.

[XtremeRevolution]

You would say somthing like that wouldn't you?

Go back to your Obama bashing threads


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Yeah, I would say something like that. Got a problem with it? I check my sources, even on the websites I put up, to make sure that I'm not just spewing crap that someone made up. I know you don't like what I have to say at least with regard to politics, but your post serves absolutely no purpose than to tick me off. Attack Romney in every which way you want to (assuming you are willing to debate the point if someone disagrees with you), but don't attack me. You've annoyed me personally in many of these political threads and we heavily disagree on political issues, but not once have I replied saying "yeah, you would say that."

Civility and Restraint

[sciphi]

Enough with the personal attacks, guys. Or takes the thread.