Anyone on Fuelly.com with a Cruze Eco?

[XtremeRevolution]

If you are, I wouldn't mind getting a hand or some support in this thread:

Need separate option for Cruze Eco | Fuelly Forum

Trying to convince the site owners to add a trim for the Eco. They say they can't track all of the trim levels (even though it would be simple to do so), but they can track users of the Civic and Civic Si independently, even though the Si is another trim of the Civic, and both the Si and the standard Civic have half the combined users for 2011 and 2012 than the Cruze has. Simply adding "Cruze Eco" next to "Cruze" is about as difficult as adding a new car model when its released. Piece of cake.

Feel free to contribute to the above thread on fuelly.com if you'd like to push for getting a Cruze Eco model added so we can get a accurate representation of this car's fuel economy numbers.

[ErikBEggs]

I dont see why its necessary. Honda Civic vs. Honda Civic Si is quite different; they have completely different engines. If you separate Cruze and Cruze Eco, they'd have to do that for every "special fuel economy trim" which goes down to Ford Focus, Cobalt, and cars that have hybrid trims as well.

[XtremeRevolution]

I dont see why its necessary. Honda Civic vs. Honda Civic Si is quite different; they have completely different engines. If you separate Cruze and Cruze Eco, they'd have to do that for every "special fuel economy trim" which goes down to Ford Focus, Cobalt, and cars that have hybrid trims as well.

That's the thing. They also have a way to differentiate between the Civic and Civic hybrid. The way I see it, the measured fuel economy between the Cruze and Cruze Eco is even larger than that between the Civic and Civic Si. Who cares what engine is in which car if the purpose of the site is to track fuel economy? If one car gets significantly different fuel economy numbers than another, the two shouldn't be grouped together.

Even if the Civic Si is a different motor altogether, so is the Cobalt and Cobalt SS, and the list goes on. Neon vs Neon SRT-4? For some reason, even though the actual registrations for the Civic and Civic Si are very low compared to other cars, they are listed as two distinctly different cars.

God forbid someone might try to make a suggestion to improve the site. Annoyance in the lack of a distinction between the Cruze Eco and other Cruze models has been expressed on this site and on others plenty of times.

Looking down their list, it actually looks like they might have more registrations for the one Chevy Cruze entry for 2011 and 2012 than they do for all Mercedes-Benz vehicles combined.

[ErikBEggs]

The distinctions between the two are so subtle between Cruze and Cruze Eco. If you talk about the Automatic Eco vs. a Cruze 1LT, the differences are now limited to the shutter grille, tires, and the ~100 lb weight reduction. The Automatic Eco contains the spare tire, identical gear ratios to the LT and the larger fuel tank. The result is only a +1 net gain in fuel economy. So now you have the Automatic Eco which is just as "different" from the LT as it is from the manual Eco does it need its own trim listing as well? It is such a slippery slope.

The differences with other cars is what the site people are afraid of. If you separate the Cruze, which contains the same engine just slightly different aero mods, then you have to separate nearly every modern car on the site. Take the hyundai sonata for example. Looking at it right now, you have the 2.4 N/A engine, the 2.0T engine, and the hybrid all grouped as one. Those differences are much more extensive than the difference between the Cruze and the Cruze Eco.

I understand the differences you'd like to display but that just creates an enormous overhaul in the whole site that would have to be done for consistency. But a place you can do that is on fueleconomy.gov. They have the fuel economy trims separated by every possible option.. trim AND transmission.

[XtremeRevolution]

The distinctions between the two are so subtle between Cruze and Cruze Eco. If you talk about the Automatic Eco vs. a Cruze 1LT, the differences are now limited to the shutter grille, tires, and the ~100 lb weight reduction. The Automatic Eco contains the spare tire, identical gear ratios to the LT and the larger fuel tank. The result is only a +1 net gain in fuel economy. So now you have the Automatic Eco which is just as "different" from the LT as it is from the manual Eco does it need its own trim listing as well? It is such a slippery slope.

The differences with other cars is what the site people are afraid of. If you separate the Cruze, which contains the same engine just slightly different aero mods, then you have to separate nearly every modern car on the site. Take the hyundai sonata for example. Looking at it right now, you have the 2.4 N/A engine, the 2.0T engine, and the hybrid all grouped as one. Those differences are much more extensive than the difference between the Cruze and the Cruze Eco.

I understand the differences you'd like to display but that just creates an enormous overhaul in the whole site that would have to be done for consistency. But a place you can do that is on fueleconomy.gov. They have the fuel economy trims separated by every possible option.. trim AND transmission.

Its not an enormous overhaul, and to claim so indicates you have zero knowledge of web design. Does it require an enormous overhaul whenever a new car is released? Did they have dozens of hours of work when the Hyundai Veloster was first released so they could add it as a vehicle in their lineup? The quick answer is no, its a simple add of a model/engine/body style, and it can be done on a per request basis if there is a significant difference in fuel economy.

With regard to the Hyundai, you actually can differentiate between the engine models. If you took the time to actually look it up, you'll see that you can actually choose between specific engines to filter your results.

Hyundai Sonata MPG Reports | Fuelly

You could make it an engine option (or engine/transmission) for the Eco, you can make it a body style to add, or you can add it as a completely different vehicle.

How many Eco Automatics do you think are out there? Not very many. Most Ecos that sell, from what I've seen, are manual transmissions.

The average for 2012 Chevy Cruzes on Fuelly.com is 32.6MPG. The following are numbers I caught while finding "Eco MT" in the names of these cars:

36.8
32.1
33.4
42.8
45.0
43.4
39.6
37.4
36.3
43.3
38.1
40.1
39.0

And I'll stop there, because the Average for the Cruze Eco MTs that I've calculated so far is 39MPG. That's 6.4mpg higher than the rest of the Cruze trims, even though the Eco models themselves are part of the 32.6mpg average. Remove the Ecos from the average and I'm willing to bet you it would be closer to 8MPG. That's actually a bigger difference in fuel economy (see website name: fuelly.com) than the difference between the Civic and Civic Si. That's why it deserves its own "distinction"; because it pulls the highest numbers.

I've been to fueleconomy.gov and their rated EPA numbers are not what customers are actually getting, and they don't have user-submitted numbers for any Cruze. The numbers on that site are exactly what I can find on the window sticker of every Chevy Cruze in a chevy dealership.

****, you don't even have a Cruze Eco.

[ErikBEggs]

How many Eco Automatics do you think are out there? Not very many. Most Ecos that sell, from what I've seen, are manual transmissions.

Actually, only 55% are manuals according to 2012 Chevy Cruze Eco: Mileage gain, no pain - USATODAY.com. There are more automatics out there than you think. Americans just don't prefer stick

****, you don't even have a Cruze Eco.

What is that supposed to mean? That I'm not part of an exclusive "club?" Last I checked, we have the same owners manual inside our cars.

[XtremeRevolution]

Actually, only 55% are manuals according to 2012 Chevy Cruze Eco: Mileage gain, no pain - USATODAY.com. There are more automatics out there than you think. Americans just don't prefer stick





What is that supposed to mean? That I'm not part of an exclusive "club?" Last I checked, we have the same owners manual inside our cars.

55% is over half, and that number is much higher in the number of reported vehicles on fuelly.

What does that mean? I'm trying to get some help in convincing Fuelly.com to add some kind of distinction for the Cruze Eco, and not only do you not have a Cruze Eco, making this thread virtually useless to you, but you're also playing devil's advocate and telling me all of the reasons why this shouldn't be done. If I wanted reasons why it shouldn't be done, I could have asked Fuelly.com for a few more. That's not why I came here.

[cruzeman]

U can see my numbers below for my Eco with manual trans

[ErikBEggs]

you're also playing devil's advocate and telling me all of the reasons why this shouldn't be done. If I wanted reasons why it shouldn't be done, I could have asked Fuelly.com for a few more. That's not why I came here.

Then what is the reason? You said you think the Cruze Eco should get its own distinction like the Civic has a page and Civic Si has a page. I'm merely questioning why if no other car has that difference between their trims why add it for the Eco? I can see a filter on the page that the Sonata has but they aren't separate cars to need different pages. Many cars on the site that are grouped the same have 2-3 different engine choices. That is what I was stating.

[cruzin2012]

You would think a fuel tracking website running a massive database would want the best database possible. I guess not.