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    Ford GM Merger?

    Ford Authority:Analyst Claims Ford-GM Merger Is A Possibility

    "24/7Wallst reckons that GM has a future as a stand-alone car company over the next decade, but Ford doesn’t. It bases this on the market cap of Ford declining 42 percent over the last five years, while GM is close to flat. A merger would also make it easier for Ford and GM to compete against the other big mergers like FCA and Renault as well as against Toyota and VW. A Ford and GM merger sounds unlikely to us, but stranger things have happened."
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    Personally I don't think GM has much of a chance either. Corporations that don't grow inevitably fail.
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    Never happen unless laws are re-written relative to monopolies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robby View Post
    Never happen unless laws are re-written relative to monopolies.

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    But it's an international market. I don't know if regulators would get involved since Honda, Toyota, Nissan, Hyundai, and many other makers are here, with Chinese firms on the horizon too.

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    This (my monopoly thoughts) are why Fiat had to keep the Chrysler name.....hence, Fiat-Chrysler.....as explained to me.

    As it was explained to me, had the Chrysler name been dropped, Ford and GM would become sub-monopolies and a whole boatload of weird restrictions would come into play.
    For that merger to occur, Fiat had to become a equal partner with Chrysler.

    I don't profess to understand all the legal mumbo jumbo....just repeating as presented (short version) to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robby View Post
    This (my monopoly thoughts) are why Fiat had to keep the Chrysler name.....hence, Fiat-Chrysler.....as explained to me.
    Now called FCA US, so the Chrysler name is gone from the company, although they still have a product line of that name.

    I'm sure a merger would attract the attention of the anti-trust folks, but it's hard to claim there's no competition in the automotive products for consumers.

    I couldn't find any details about the name change as part of the merger, but it does seem like the US Government was part of the restructuring. So the Chrysler name may have had to be kept for political reasons for them to play along. Getting them to loan $8B to "Fiat" would be a tough sell.


    Quote Originally Posted by obermd View Post
    Personally I don't think GM has much of a chance either. Corporations that don't grow inevitably fail.
    My impression is that the automotive market isn't expanding - at least by much. And the future suggests it will shrink. GM is at least positioned for the change. Ford, apparently, is not.

    Something to consider, if Ford dies, I think someone will pick up the Mustang and F-series in an asset sale. Who? Whoever it is, is likely to create a challenge for GM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChevyGuy View Post
    My impression is that the automotive market isn't expanding - at least by much. And the future suggests it will shrink.

    And what shows up in my news feed, an article that suggest we're past "peak car".

    This Is What Peak Car Looks Like

    Keep in mind, they're talking about cities. Suburbs and rural are a different story.

    The killer of course is if fully autonomous cars happen. Without driver labor, ride sharing will become cheap. Probably much cheaper than owning a car.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChevyGuy View Post
    Now called FCA US, so the Chrysler name is gone from the company, although they still have a product line of that name.
    And FCA stands for...Fiat Chrysler Automobiles. FCA is just the abbreviation, the Chrysler name is still there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MP81 View Post
    And FCA stands for...Fiat Chrysler Automobiles. FCA is just the abbreviation, the Chrysler name is still there.
    Yes, that's what it stands for, but its legal name is FCA US LLC. As such, I'm not sure "abbreviation" is the correct term for it.

    https://www.autoblog.com/2014/12/16/...-llc-official/
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChevyGuy View Post
    Yes, that's what it stands for, but its legal name is FCA US LLC. As such, I'm not sure "abbreviation" is the correct term for it.

    https://www.autoblog.com/2014/12/16/...-llc-official/
    "Fiat Chrysler Automobiles N.V., often abbreviated as FCA, is an Italian-American multinational corporation and is the world’s eighth largest automaker."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiat_Chrysler_Automobiles

    FCA LLC is the US subsidiary (formerly Chrysler Group LLC), FCA Italy is the European one (formerly Fiat Group Automobiles SpA) - but "Fiat Chrysler Automobiles" is in the logo, because that is the overall actual name: Fiat Chrysler Automobiles N.V.

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