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    Quote Originally Posted by ChevyGuy View Post
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    GM's oil used to be semi-synthetic. Short of finding old GM oil, is there any semi-synthetic Dexos1 oils out there?

    Plus, I think most quick change places only have a few selections "on tap". Pep Boys seem to have Quaker State, Pennzoil, and Mobil 1. As such, their only Dexos1 rated oil may be the full-synthetic.

    I wouldn't call it a scam for a oil change place to say they have to run synthetic oil. Their expertise is on their service, not all the possible options for a specific car. I'd focus on the price.
    There used to be more before full synthetics have become more the norm. Still out there is a Quaker State semi-synthetic as well as valvoline's durablend. Looks like even some dyno oil has been approved for dexos1, though I couldn't recommend especially with the temps associated with our turbos.

    https://www.gmdexos.com/

    The fact is, the shop charged an insane amount for an oil change, on a Cruze, that takes 4.25 quarts of oil. Bulk filters and bulk oil I am guessing the shop might have $10 into the oil change. Pay the schmuck $12/hr doing the oil change, only took 15 minutes to do, so there's $3 for a total of $13 and then pure profit of $65 for the shop.

    I personally use Mobil1 full synthetic. Oil costs me on sale w/ a rebate from mobil $11/5qt jug. Then another $5 for an AC Delco filter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lonewolf04 View Post
    There used to be more before full synthetics have become more the norm.
    I think part of it is the retailers pushing back. Oil makers have maybe quadrupled the shelf space they want over the past ~20 years. They've gone from having 3 or 4 weights of (dino) oil and added 3 or 4 weights of high-mileage, 3 or 4 synthetic, 3 or 4 dino-synthetic blends, 3 or 4 high-mileage synthetics, and a few other combinations to their offerings, thus taking way more aisle space which I suspect retailers see little extra return on.

    There was a report in the past few years that showed that dino-synthetic blends offered no advantages over pure dino, and I think we're already seeing those fade away. In another few years, we may see nothing by synthetics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by plano-doug View Post
    I think part of it is the retailers pushing back. Oil makers have maybe quadrupled the shelf space they want over the past ~20 years. They've gone from having 3 or 4 weights of (dino) oil and added 3 or 4 weights of high-mileage, 3 or 4 synthetic, 3 or 4 dino-synthetic blends, 3 or 4 high-mileage synthetics, and a few other combinations to their offerings, thus taking way more aisle space which I suspect retailers see little extra return on.

    There was a report in the past few years that showed that dino-synthetic blends offered no advantages over pure dino, and I think we're already seeing those fade away. In another few years, we may see nothing by synthetics.

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    I agree the amount of oil weights has become insane. Synthetic blends have always seemed like a snake oil because there was never any regulation on how much synthetic was added to the blend. No surprise there were studies done to show no improvements over dyno. It seemed more like an additive package to dyno oil than anything. I don't think dyno oil will ever go away though. Still need that market for classic cars and older engine designs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lonewolf04 View Post
    It seemed more like an additive package to dyno oil than anything. I don't think dyno oil will ever go away though. Still need that market for classic cars and older engine designs.
    Dino oil. I think you got a bit carried away with the "dyno" from earlier, haha.

    I actually run partial synthetic in my '81 Z28. But it is PennGrade 1 - has got an assload of zinc in there for the flat tappet cam.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lonewolf04 View Post
    I don't think dyno oil will ever go away though. Still need that market for classic cars and older engine designs.
    As long as the market it big enough to justify a separate product. As soon as the demand gets small enough that there's no real price difference, I'll bet it will go away. Nothing wrong with synthetic in a old machine.
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