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Cool, thanks! Interesting that the Diesel will get either a 6-speed manual of its own or a 9-speed auto of its own!!!
 

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Looks like diesel gets a spare tire.....only 16 inch tires on car tho.....been one of my complaints about the Gen 2, the tires don't look impressive to the car in my opinion, just seem to small, maybe size does matter.
 

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Looks like diesel gets a spare tire.....only 16 inch tires on car tho.....been one of my complaints about the Gen 2, the tires don't look impressive to the car in my opinion, just seem to small, maybe size does matter.
Aftermarket wheels and tires look better anyhow!!! Not to mention the performance improvement!
 

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Aftermarket wheels and tires look better anyhow!!! Not to mention the performance improvement!
I hear ya, might be the case with the gen 2 ctd, I am generally a stock guy 95% of the time. I just don't like messing with tires and wheels, manufacture doesn't get it right, I generally just look for something else....I know that is unusual....:blush:
 

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I hear ya, might be the case with the gen 2 ctd, I am generally a stock guy 95% of the time. I just don't like messing with tires and wheels, manufacture doesn't get it right, I generally just look for something else....I know that is unusual....:blush:
Ya, I like a good looking factory wheel, but I don't like that everyone else that has the same model looks the same as mine so I tend to go the aftermarket rout as soon as I can afford it...

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Are you trying to say that aftermarket wheel and tires do not improve performance or look better? While the looks are purely subjective, performance wheels and tires as a general rule improve braking and handling with a better contact patch on the road surface and better adhesion tire compounds. Yes there are some bozos that go for bigger and heavier "BLINGY" wheels that can hurt performance, but I have yet to see someone make a Chevy Cruze into a DONK, so I doubt there are many cases (if any) of aftermarket wheels and tires performing worse than factory. I know in my case when I look at weight, style and performance when making purchases like that, it will make vast improvements in handling and braking performance as it has in the past on all my vehicles. If someone buys purely on looks, they may not improve braking, but will likely still improve cornering just by having a larger contact patch on the ground...
 

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I don't think its updated all the way - it's missing the Diesel Premiere, which will have bigger wheels.
 

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Ya, I like a good looking factory wheel, but I don't like that everyone else that has the same model looks the same as mine so I tend to go the aftermarket rout as soon as I can afford it...



Are you trying to say that aftermarket wheel and tires do not improve performance or look better? While the looks are purely subjective, performance wheels and tires as a general rule improve braking and handling with a better contact patch on the road surface and better adhesion tire compounds. Yes there are some bozos that go for bigger and heavier "BLINGY" wheels that can hurt performance, but I have yet to see someone make a Chevy Cruze into a DONK, so I doubt there are many cases (if any) of aftermarket wheels and tires performing worse than factory. I know in my case when I look at weight, style and performance when making purchases like that, it will make vast improvements in handling and braking performance as it has in the past on all my vehicles. If someone buys purely on looks, they may not improve braking, but will likely still improve cornering just by having a larger contact patch on the ground...
pretty sure theres guys on here with 20s

looks are subjective

performance? its a compact econobox....minus whale stretch the tires and rust the hood, too

freedom of choice.
 

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So when can people actually start ordering
 

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Aftermarket wheels and tires look better anyhow!!! Not to mention the performance improvement!

Larger wheels and tires actually hurt acceleration.......interestingly, given a choice, most high performance drivers opt for smaller wheels and tires. I'll take smaller but wider every day.
 

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I don't think its updated all the way - it's missing the Diesel Premiere, which will have bigger wheels.
We've been told there will be no Premiere diesel option, just as we have now.

Sadly, no diesel option on hatchback model.
 

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We've been told there will be no Premiere diesel option, just as we have now. Sadly, no diesel option on hatchback model.
Thankfully, this is not correct, for I learned today from a GM person authorized to speak on this, that there will be for 2018, a diesel, hatch, manual tranny, Premier version. I posted that on the "currently corrupted thread" that admin is trying to fix (along with other threads that have temporarily gone "south."

The great link that "diesel" posted (the OP on this thread), is for the 2017 models (thanks diesel for finding and posting the GM ordering guide link); however, there will be some changes for 2018. As my earlier thread is temporarily in the "eithernet," here is what I earlier posted that will provide positive info for some 2018 diesel hatch buyers:

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"18 CTD, Manual Coming With Leather! I learned today from GM, that it will be possible to get a 2018 Premier edition Cruze with the "four combo" of diesel, hatch, manual AND leather, (unknown to me if the diesel sedan with manual tranny can be had with leather)."



 

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Thankfully, this is not correct, for I learned today from a GM person authorized to speak on this, that there will be for 2018, a diesel, hatch, manual tranny, Premier version. I posted that on the "currently corrupted thread" that admin is trying to fix (along with other threads that have temporarily gone "south."

The great link that "diesel" posted (the OP on this thread), is for the 2017 models (thanks diesel for finding and posting the GM ordering guide link); however, there will be some changes for 2018. As my earlier thread is temporarily in the "eithernet," here is what I earlier posted that will provide positive info for some 2018 diesel hatch buyers:




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I hope you're correct. Why would they have a 17 order NOW and not include the hatchback and Premiere edition. Technically and legally, they can call any car made after Jan 1 a 2018, so anythings possible.

As an aside, as much as I love a manual and miss driving one , try getting rid of one in this day and age, yet alone one on a diesel wth a manual? Fwiw, the take rate with the TDI auto/DSG was much higher than manual TDI cars. That's gotta tell you something. Strictly from a marketing viewpoint, it's very hard to unload a manual these days.
 

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yea wondering on price and mpg rating I might give gm another shot I might not it just sucks that for 3 years gm basically said pound salt with my issues and now all these "recalls" show I had valid points all along. I do like the cruze but am i willing to see "if things got better"
 

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Larger "DIAMETER" wheels and tires CAN actually hurt acceleration.......interestingly, given a choice, most high performance drivers opt for smaller wheels and tires. I'll take smaller but wider every day.
Fixed it for ya... hahaha

I have met and talked with MANY professional racers and I have never heard one say I wish I could run a smaller wheel and tire package... Typically the majority of performance drivers will use the Plus 1, Plus 2, Plus three method of upgrading the wheels and tires on their vehicle for improved performance without increased overall diameter... Fir instance rather than running a 215/65R16 they would opt for a 225/55R17, 235/45R8 or 245/35R19 all four tires would have nearly the same overall diameter so acceleration and gearing would not be effected, but they would have a shorter sidewall so cornering would be greatly improved and the ride would become generally stiffer. Larger diameter wheels provide more room for larger brakes which improves braking performance.

On my VW TDI I went from the factory 16s to TSW rotary forged 18s and saved about 2.5-pounds per corner over the factory setup, then when I upgraded the brakes I further reduced the unsprung weight up front by about another 2-pounds if memory serves properly. In the rear I added a little but overall was still less unsprung weight than the factory setup with a larger contact patch and much better braking on all four corners of the car. Handling, braking and corning was greatly improved and if there was any effect on acceleration it was an improvement, but not hugely noticeable.

I will be going a similar route on my Cruze diesel and expect similar improvements across the board...
 
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Thanks Chris Tobin. I especially like your comment about lighter, stronger, forged wheels (just did that on our new WRX) and look forward to what you do on your diesel. I will be considering this same path, though, as is obvious, first we will need to know what the factory wheels weigh.
 

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Fixed it for ya... hahaha

I have met and talked with MANY professional racers and I have never heard one say I wish I could run a smaller wheel and tire package... Typically the majority of performance drivers will use the Plus 1, Plus 2, Plus three method of upgrading the wheels and tires on their vehicle for improved performance without increased overall diameter... Fir instance rather than running a 215/65R16 they would opt for a 225/55R17, 235/45R8 or 245/35R19 all four tires would have nearly the same overall diameter so acceleration and gearing would not be effected, but they would have a shorter sidewall so cornering would be greatly improved and the ride would become generally stiffer. Larger diameter wheels provide more room for larger brakes which improves braking performance.

On my VW TDI I went from the factory 16s to TSW rotary forged 18s and saved about 2.5-pounds per corner over the factory setup, then when I upgraded the brakes I further reduced the unsprung weight up front by about another 2-pounds if memory serves properly. In the rear I added a little but overall was still less unsprung weight than the factory setup with a larger contact patch and much better braking on all four corners of the car. Handling, braking and corning was greatly improved and if there was any effect on acceleration it was an improvement, but not hugely noticeable.

I will be going a similar route on my Cruze diesel and expect similar improvements across the board...
Do you really think 4.5 pounds a corner or 18 pounds overall is going to make a difference, brakes etc might make a difference but 18 pounds isn't diddly squat and will have virtually ZERO benefit, just eat a couple less cheesburgers and more salad and go to the bathroom prior to driving and from a weight perspective the effect would be similar. On a 3300 pound car 18 pounds is appx 1/2 of 1 percent in weight reduction.
 
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