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Tomko said:
Chevrolet will add a new clean diesel engine to the lineup in 2017, featuring a B20-capable 1.6L diesel already proven in Europe and other global markets.

“The current Cruze diesel has garnered a loyal following among customers seeking strong, clean and efficient diesel,” said Nicholson. “The next Cruze diesel will take those attributes to the next level with the very latest technology, offering what we expect will be the premier small-car diesel package in North America. It affirms GM’s commitment to offer diesel engines as an alternative propulsion choice for cars in North America and specifically targets the German dominance in the segment.”

More information about the next Cruze diesel will be available closer to the start of production."
 

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tomko said:
this must mean that the updated 2.0 diesel will find its way into something else.

Maybe malibu. Maybe verrano. Maybe ats.
any news on what the updates will be?


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diesel said:
The current body style will no longer have the diesel for the '16 model year. I am not yet clear on whether they will bring the new diesel out in 2017 as a 2018 model, or in 2016 as a 2017 model.

The last production of the current Cruze diesel was on the day we were in Lordstown this year.
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I wonder if the current Cruze CTD will be continued for another year. I know the current Cruze will be continued as a rental car edition for 2016.
no June 12th was the last diesel off the line in a gen1 body.
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Found this. They claim the 1.6 diesel to be 10% more efficient than the 2.0 diesel.

Chief Engineer Discusses Opel's New 1.6L Turbo Diesel Engine | GM Authority
Wow- In the video, did that actually show a timing chain in a Opel Diesel? I'd say that's an American thing, as most of the European's seem to accept, or not complain about belts. The also have a lot more mechanics who are used to dealing with this service.


I'm glad to see GM use more diesels. It will force GM dealership service departments, and GM themselves to support all diesels in the US, buy stocking fluids, filters, and knowing how to properly maintain the European diesels state side.
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revjpeterson said:
I'm glad I got my 2014 Diesel and by the time I'm ready to replace it in 2023, the Gen. 3 Cruze should be coming out, because the news about this Diesel engine is really disappointing to me. Psychologically, if you even mention an engine to me that is 1.x Liters, my ears automatically shut off and I start looking elsewhere. If the current Diesel had been a 1.9 instead of a 2.0, it would have been reflex for me to just lose interest immediately.

They refer to this 1.6TD as "similarly powered" to current 2.0 Diesels, but to drop from 151hp/264-280 torque to 137/235 hardly seems comparable, and would be an immediate deal-breaker for me, in spite of the fuel economy. (Now really, they drop the displacement 20%, slash the performance by 10-15%, and all they can squeeze out is a 10% fuel economy increase - what gives?) I grew up in the land of Chevy 454 and 400 big block motors and the supercharged 3800. I always considered my 3.1L V6 engines to be undesirably small. It's only because my Diesel feels as fast, if not faster, than the supercharged 3.8 I traded it for, while burning half the fuel, that I gave up my vow never to own an engine with fewer than 6 cylinders.


I like just about everything else I see from this new Cruze, but if they can't bring back a Diesel with equal or greater power than our current 2.0TD and maintain or improve the fuel economy, I can't see myself coming back to the Cruze when I pass this one down to my daughter in 8 years. It will either mean a return to a GM gasoline-powered mid-size or going back to an all-Mopar garage for me.
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diesel said:
revjpeterson said:
I'm glad I got my 2014 Diesel and by the time I'm ready to replace it in 2023, the Gen. 3 Cruze should be coming out, because the news about this Diesel engine is really disappointing to me. Psychologically, if you even mention an engine to me that is 1.x Liters, my ears automatically shut off and I start looking elsewhere. If the current Diesel had been a 1.9 instead of a 2.0, it would have been reflex for me to just lose interest immediately.

They refer to this 1.6TD as "similarly powered" to current 2.0 Diesels, but to drop from 151hp/264-280 torque to 137/235 hardly seems comparable, and would be an immediate deal-breaker for me, in spite of the fuel economy. (Now really, they drop the displacement 20%, slash the performance by 10-15%, and all they can squeeze out is a 10% fuel economy increase - what gives?) I grew up in the land of Chevy 454 and 400 big block motors and the supercharged 3800. I always considered my 3.1L V6 engines to be undesirably small. It's only because my Diesel feels as fast, if not faster, than the supercharged 3.8 I traded it for, while burning half the fuel, that I gave up my vow never to own an engine with fewer than 6 cylinders.


I like just about everything else I see from this new Cruze, but if they can't bring back a Diesel with equal or greater power than our current 2.0TD and maintain or improve the fuel economy, I can't see myself coming back to the Cruze when I pass this one down to my daughter in 8 years. It will either mean a return to a GM gasoline-powered mid-size or going back to an all-Mopar garage for me.
The new one is also supposed to be at least 250 lb lighter, so I would imagine performance would be similar.
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IndyDiesel said:
I like big engines and power as well and have had my share of them. With CAFE standards forcing efficiency all car manufactures are being forced to reduce engine size. BMW had a diesel a couple years ago that didn't really sell well but dang was it fun to drive and had burn out power, I think it was a BMW 335d. It felt like V8 and got high 30s on highway if your foot wasn't in it. My opinion is BMW makes a really nice car but can be a bit expensive to maintain. Makes the chevy Cruze maintenance very reasonable in comparison.
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Dvan5693 said:
revjpeterson said:
I'm glad I got my 2014 Diesel and by the time I'm ready to replace it in 2023, the Gen. 3 Cruze should be coming out, because the news about this Diesel engine is really disappointing to me. Psychologically, if you even mention an engine to me that is 1.x Liters, my ears automatically shut off and I start looking elsewhere. If the current Diesel had been a 1.9 instead of a 2.0, it would have been reflex for me to just lose interest immediately.

They refer to this 1.6TD as "similarly powered" to current 2.0 Diesels, but to drop from 151hp/264-280 torque to 137/235 hardly seems comparable, and would be an immediate deal-breaker for me, in spite of the fuel economy. (Now really, they drop the displacement 20%, slash the performance by 10-15%, and all they can squeeze out is a 10% fuel economy increase - what gives?) I grew up in the land of Chevy 454 and 400 big block motors and the supercharged 3800. I always considered my 3.1L V6 engines to be undesirably small. It's only because my Diesel feels as fast, if not faster, than the supercharged 3.8 I traded it for, while burning half the fuel, that I gave up my vow never to own an engine with fewer than 6 cylinders.


I like just about everything else I see from this new Cruze, but if they can't bring back a Diesel with equal or greater power than our current 2.0TD and maintain or improve the fuel economy, I can't see myself coming back to the Cruze when I pass this one down to my daughter in 8 years. It will either mean a return to a GM gasoline-powered mid-size or going back to an all-Mopar garage for me.
There's no need for increased power or a bigger engine when they drop the weight in the car by almost 10%(that's a sh!t ton). The car will probably drive the same, if not better. You don't want a Cruze diesel that can obtain 60mpg on the highway? lol.
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revjpeterson said:
diesel said:
The new one is also supposed to be at least 250 lb lighter, so I would imagine performance would be similar.
Dvan5693 said:
There's no need for increased power or a bigger engine when they drop the weight in the car by almost 10%(that's a sh!t ton). The car will probably drive the same, if not better. You don't want a Cruze diesel that can obtain 60mpg on the highway? lol.
When I'm doing straight highway runs I can hover around that 60mpg number right now (I have 50-mile runs at 66.4 and 25-mile runs at 67.8 currently). I'd love a 50-60mpg rated Cruze, but not at the expense of a vehicle that is respectably capable. (doing away with mandates for nonsense like EGR and other economy-robbing emissions equipment would go a long way toward this) I didn't expect bigger, but I was surprised to hear they were going smaller without an equivalent option to the current Diesel. I could see if they were making a 1.6TD that was putting out 150/260, but to take a 10-15% performance hit while only providing a 7% weight reduction is still a losing equation for power:weight ratio. The current CTD maxed out the amount I was willing to compromise performance in order to get fuel economy.
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cammyfive said:
I think like everything else tastes change so GM must also change. Our current CTDs are absurdly heavy for the class that they are in but we, well I can only speak for myself and my conservative driving, still get mid to high 50s in highway driving; imagine what a car that is 250+lbs less heavy with a motor that is 10% more efficient will be able to achieve. Again, this is total speculation, but I don't think the performance will change at all. I work for GM on marketing side and this car is marketed as a comfortable economy car that is set to beat the competition when it comes to tech and features. The diesel will just be icing on the cake for those of us that appreciate the low end grunt and - finally - a car that can consistently beat the EPA highway ratings!
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Sperry said:
The smaller diesel should weigh less than the 2.0 so the 2017 CTD might weigh closer to 300 lbs less than our current cars.. Give me the hatchback option and I'm probably trading mine in.. Just hope they keep the fuel tank the same size
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IndyDiesel said:
Not sure if they have released whether a manual transmission with be offered on the 2017 diesel or not, if they would offer a manual the mileage might be in low to mid 50s and could be able to compete against vw tdi. Also if they would provide more levels of trim on the diesel would help it compete and sell in higher volume.
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