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They may rethink this now that Trump has been elected. GM has opened a plant in Mexico to build the Cruze as well and this may come back to bite them.
 

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You know, I haven't seen nearly as many of the 16s on the road here as I did the 15s when they were new (distinct from the rest of them because of the LED running lights) in about the same timeframe of being on the market.

I think with current gas prices, a lot of people have been flocking to crossovers and pickups that have been freshly redesigned. The usually very strong midsize segment has taken a sales hit as well.

Came at a bad time with the release of a new model, but I think the market for upscale small cars will pick up again. I wouldn't care at all if things like the Sonic and Spark, as well as the Fit and Yaris faded into oblivion, though.
 

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I think this trade issue with Mexico in particular is very interesting. Seems as I read the tea leaves, trump wants to renogiate nafta and will use a 35% tariff as a way to encourage them to do so. Working class people that have lost manufacturing jobs believe him that he can do it. I hope he succeeds.
 

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I think this trade issue with Mexico in particular is very interesting. Seems as I read the tea leaves, trump wants to renogiate nafta and will use a 35% tariff as a way to encourage them to do so. Working class people that have lost manufacturing jobs believe him that he can do it. I hope he succeeds.
Does this have anything to do with the Cruze hatchback or is it just a political rant out of place?
 

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Does this have anything to do with the Cruze hatchback or is it just a political rant out of place?
I just find the whole tariff issue very relevant to this issue and topic of loosing jobs. Yikes..
 

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Seems relevant to the topic to me, These jobs lost is just the start of GM's move to make all models of the cruze in mexico where its more profitable. Read an article 2 years ago that said to expect all manufactures to make this move with there low profit cheap model cars over the next 10 years(even before it was announced the cruze hatchback was being built in Mexico).

If you don't like this trend speak with your dollar and don't buy models that support this change. Yes I read the article that claimed more people are buying crossovers, however that was a known fact for the last 4+ years so your projected sales and total output should have already adjusted for that. Bet if those 1200 workers were building hatchbacks this would not have happened, period.
 

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You know, I haven't seen nearly as many of the 16s on the road here as I did the 15s when they were new (distinct from the rest of them because of the LED running lights) in about the same timeframe of being on the market.

I think with current gas prices, a lot of people have been flocking to crossovers and pickups that have been freshly redesigned. The usually very strong midsize segment has taken a sales hit as well.

Came at a bad time with the release of a new model, but I think the market for upscale small cars will pick up again. I wouldn't care at all if things like the Sonic and Spark, as well as the Fit and Yaris faded into oblivion, though.
I see this firsthand at the dealer I work for. The Cruze used to be our #1 best seller. This year, we rolled out more Equinox's, Traverses, Traxs, Colorados, and Silverados than any car.

Heck, we've sold exactly 2 GEN 2 Cruze's this year. We still have a brand new 2016 Limited that's sat for a long time now.

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I think this trade issue with Mexico in particular is very interesting. Seems as I read the tea leaves, trump wants to renogiate nafta and will use a 35% tariff as a way to encourage them to do so. Working class people that have lost manufacturing jobs believe him that he can do it. I hope he succeeds.
Does this have anything to do with the Cruze hatchback or is it just a political rant out of place?
GM opened the plant in Mexico because Lordstown was at capacity. Now it's not so the question of selling Mexico source Cruze in the US does come into play. On the other hand if the Mexico plant is to allow GM to sell into South America without the typical anti-US bashing from some of the governments down there they need to keep that plant open. Needless to say, it will be interesting.
 

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GM opened the plant in Mexico because Lordstown was at capacity. Now it's not so the question of selling Mexico source Cruze in the US does come into play. On the other hand if the Mexico plant is to allow GM to sell into South America without the typical anti-US bashing from some of the governments down there they need to keep that plant open. Needless to say, it will be interesting.
The key phrase you made "was at capacity" with layoff announcements for lordstown, one would assume that statement isn't true now or in near future. The issue is similar with ford, ford is moving small car production to Mexico from some Michigan plant, those jobs are going to make some other higher margin SUV in Michigan. Ford says hey there are no job losses, I am like make a new plant here and there would be additional jobs for Americans. It seems similar with GM and them moving jobs to Mexico. I want American made products when possible and it be a level fair playing field for American workers.
 
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I see this firsthand at the dealer I work for. The Cruze used to be our #1 best seller. This year, we rolled out more Equinox's, Traverses, Traxs, Colorados, and Silverados than any car.

Heck, we've sold exactly 2 GEN 2 Cruze's this year. We still have a brand new 2016 Limited that's sat for a long time now.

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And they make a much bigger profit off selling those, even with rebates! They are stockpiling Cruzens here, but surprisingly, the dealer I bought mine from were all 17s - probably 50-60 of them. There are quite a few 16s left on lots around the area.

I don't know if it's because I didn't pay attention to them before having one as a rental, but I have seen a ton of late model Equinoxes around lately. The new model is much overdue. *shudder*
 

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GM is spending $667 million to upgrade the Toledo Power Train plant here. They currently build 6 spd front and rear drive transmissions as well as the 8 spd transmission. No one will say what new product is coming, but they spent nearly $10 million here a couple of years ago to bring the 8 spd here and add the 6 spd rear drive line. This will be a large expansion of the existing facility and will likely add a few hundred jobs. CFA is doing a similar upgrade to the Jeep plant here to build the next generation Wrangler here.
 

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Saw this on the lay offs. BMW will be building the 3 series in Mexico soon. Not sure I would want a Mexican BMW - lots of concern on the BMW forums. My 320i was built in South Africa - apparently an award winning factory.
 

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Interesting enough, Honda has stopped building U.S. bound Fits in Mexico. Not sure why, but quite a few buyers were asking dealers to source them a Japanese built Fit rather than a Mexican one.
 

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Well the Production on the new Battery powered Bolt has started and Chevy added 300 workers. Now is always a good time to watch Roger and Me again, its on Showtime or a pretty low fi file on YouTube
 

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I see this firsthand at the dealer I work for. The Cruze used to be our #1 best seller. This year, we rolled out more Equinox's, Traverses, Traxs, Colorados, and Silverados than any car.

Heck, we've sold exactly 2 GEN 2 Cruze's this year. We still have a brand new 2016 Limited that's sat for a long time now.

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Yeah dealer here wasn't gonna let the 16 limited go for cheap. 2LT limited was still 27 sitting next to 25K Premier. New facility had their grand opening that Sunday we left Lordstown so not sure it that influenced their high prices. Diesels were like $30 internet in 2014 so who knows what they will be when they drop. Now will a diesel Cruze bring the sale back, possibly.

The Silverados, were they 2wd or 4wd? I seen a ..... crap ton of 4 door short bed 2wd usually go for like low 20's making a Cruze purchase kinda moot.
 

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GM is spending $667 million to upgrade the Toledo Power Train plant here. They currently build 6 spd front and rear drive transmissions as well as the 8 spd transmission. No one will say what new product is coming, but they spent nearly $10 million here a couple of years ago to bring the 8 spd here and add the 6 spd rear drive line. This will be a large expansion of the existing facility and will likely add a few hundred jobs. CFA is doing a similar upgrade to the Jeep plant here to build the next generation Wrangler here.
Just saw that on our local news, Jim. Glad to see that the Hydra-matic plant will be around here for a while!
 

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You know, I haven't seen nearly as many of the 16s on the road here as I did the 15s when they were new (distinct from the rest of them because of the LED running lights) in about the same timeframe of being on the market.

I think with current gas prices, a lot of people have been flocking to crossovers and pickups that have been freshly redesigned. The usually very strong midsize segment has taken a sales hit as well.

Came at a bad time with the release of a new model, but I think the market for upscale small cars will pick up again. I wouldn't care at all if things like the Sonic and Spark, as well as the Fit and Yaris faded into oblivion, though.
Gas prices definitely have had an impact on small car sales.

That said - I see many 2nd gen Cruzes on a daily basis, especially for how new they still are.
 

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I see a lot of new cruzes here, but see more trucks and suvs than new cruzes. My brother bought a 16 Silverado that listed for 32 for like 22 so that is less than a new cruze in many cases....as I saw on tv the lordstown plant is laying off the whole 3rd shift in January....
 
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