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Chevy is losing a very loyal customer (lots of issues and long explanation)

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I have a 2011 Cruze LTZ RS purchased back in May of 2011. I purchased the car after trading in a 2000 Mercury Cougar that I paid $1,000 for, but I grew tired of needing to repair something every few months, and at one point was left stranded by the vehicle. I had no car payment on that car and I was only trading it in so I could get a more reliable car that was safer and had better fuel economy. My cruze currently has 31k miles on it, 80% of those miles are easy 65mph highway driving. I have a 70 mile round trip commute to work. This car has been an absolute nightmare. After only owning the vehicle a few months I noticed a grinding noise from inside the cabin that only presented itself while idling. I scheduled a service appointment and they couldn't diagnose it. A few weeks later it got worse so I scheduled another service appointment and again they still couldn't figure out what it was. After a few months of the problem worsening I made yet another service appointment in March of this year. I got a call saying the vehicle was fixed, they thought it was the way an a/c line was routed that was touching the firewall causing the noise. When I picked the vehicle up as soon as I went to leave the lot it made the same grinding noise again. I immediately went and grabbed the Service Manager and had him listen to it. He said to leave the vehicle with them to figure out what was still causing it. I was called again after a few days saying the AC Compressor went bad and it was replaced in the vehicle, so the vehicle was ready for pickup. So my brand new car that wasn't even a year old with 19k miles on it had an AC Compressor fail. That should have been my first sign of the nightmare to come.

Four months later my wife and I were on our way home during a severe thunderstorm. We were a few blocks from home sitting at an intersection when the car alarmed us saying "AC Off Due to High Engine Temp". We made a left hand turned over a set of rail road tracks and as we were doing so the temp gauge went to red and the cabin filled with steam. We could not see outside the vehicle and had to immediately pull over. As we pulled over we hit a curb damaging a wheel and scaring us quite a bit. Luckily we did not hit anything else, or worse a vehicle or pedestrian. I called Onstar and asked what was happening. At this point we still couldn't see outside the vehicle, and I couldn't even stick my head out the window to see because it was during a sever thunderstorm with heavy rain. Onstar stated the car had basically overheated and needed to be turned off and towed. The rain had slowed down, and the Onstar rep stated if we were very close to home he would stay on the phone with us to make sure nothing else happened if we wanted to continue home as opposed to being stranded waiting for a tow. We opted to drive home. My wife just continuously kept wiping the windshield with a cloth so I could see to get home. We made it home and I asked the Onstar rep to document what happened so when I get it towed to the dealer the next day they can see it. The rep told me he had no way of doing so. I called the dealer the next day and had it towed in. The vehicle had about 26k miles on it and was only a year and two months old at this point. I was informed by the dealer a week later that the water pump had failed, the gasket physically shot out of the pump and thats what caused all the issues. They fixed the damaged wheel at this time as well being that it was caused by this. So at only a little over a year old the car has had two failed components, with this one putting my wife and I in a seriously unsafe situation. Had it happened just a few minutes earlier we would have been on the highway doing 65mph. Luckily it happened when we were in town and there was no traffic. At this point, my confidence in the vehicle was just about gone.

After getting the car back from the last failure, it only took two weeks for another problem to present itself. The car began to have intermittent shifting issues. Sometimes when the vehicle first starts up when you go from "P" to "D" it slams into "D" and shakes the entire care. Also, while driving the vehicle it randomly feels like it's stutter shifting as if it's not sure what gear it wants to go in. While driving in town it occasionally shifts hard while up or down shifting. I made and appointment with the dealer for these problems. They flashed an update to the cars computer, and this helped for a day or two before the problems came up again. At this point my wedding was coming up along with my honeymoon so I wasn't able to take the car in again until we got back.

When I returned from my honeymoon in September of this year I called the dealer to make an appointment a few days later for the continuing transmission issues. Before I was able to take the car into the dealer another problem presented itself. One morning when I left for work very early I was coming out of my development approaching a stop sign to an intersecting 45mph state road. As I approached the stop sign at about 25mph I applied the brakes and didn't feel the car begin to slow down. I pressed the brake pedal all the way to the floor, heard a whoosh noise, and with a second or two delay the car slowly stopped as I rolled through the stop sign partially on the the intersecting road. Luckily, there were no cars coming or this could have been a very bad accident. The pedal was very spongy, and did stop the care immediately like pushing the pedal to the floor should. I pumped the pedal a few times until it built up pressure then continued my drive to work cautiously. When I left work that afternoon I tested the pedal before pulling out of the lot, sure enough the same thing happened. Once the pedal was pumped a few times and the care warmed up, the firm pedal returned and the car would stop like normal. I informed the dealer of this when I dropped the vehicle off the following day. They had the car for about two weeks and stated they couldn't duplicate any of my issues. I went into the dealer and drove it with the sale manager because the service manage was not there that day. When I drove it with him the brake pedal was spongy and it had delayed braking as soon as we went to leave the lot. He heard the whoosh as well when this happened. We continued to drive it to try to bring up the transmission issues but unfortunately they didn't present themselves. Once we got back to the shop they took the car back to look at the brake issue. After a few days they called and said it was fixed by resurfacing the rotors and replacing the pads. I went in to pick the vehicle up and as soon as I left the parking space the brake pedal was spongy and went to the floor not stopping the car for a second or two. I went right back in and told them. They kept the vehicle for another few days then called me and said they replaced the Brake Boosted Pump and Vacuum Pipe. This seems to have fixed the brake problem, but the transmission problem still exist. This was the third failed component on the vehicle with about 30k miles on it. This was the second safety issue the car had. At this point, the sales manager and service manager said they were working with corporate to get me out of the vehicle because it's had so many problems and the transmission issue has not been resolved. I told them I was very disappointed in everything, after all I traded in a vehicle that had no car payments that required maintenance every few months to now have a car with a car payment that needs maintenance every few months and had put me in unsafe situations not once but twice.

About two weeks ago I went into the dealer because they said they had received assistance from corporate to take my vehicle back and get me into a vehicle that would have the safety and reliability I originally purchased the car for. When we sat down to discuss the details they told me I would receive $4,000 in trade assistance and they would give me $15,500 for my car. The pay off on the car at the time was roughly $20,000. The salesman showed me a 2012 Cruze and a 2013 that was the same car as mine and said with the tax savings of trading my car in I wouldn't owe anything else on my current loan. The problem comes in when the price for the Cruze has gone up since I purchased mine and would be expected to pay an additional $40/month more in car payment. This is a slap in the face. Not only am I out over $5,000 in car payments I've made over the last year and a half due to buying an obviously faulty vehicle, I am expected to pay more to replace it with the exact same vehicle only a year or two newer. I told the dealer my feelings on this and they agreed, but said there was nothing else they could do. They looked into ordering me a different vehicle.

I contacted corporate GM last Wednesday 10/24/12. I spoke with a lady by the name of Luisa and explained my feelings to her. I explained all the issues I've had, and that I continued to have a transmission issue. I told her everything the dealer said. I also explained to her that I have a Saturn Ion Redline along with a Chevy Equinox, I am a loyal GM customer. I have planned to always be one because I have never had an issued with the way GM took care of their customers. I explained to her that I feel GM is adding insult to injury when they expect a customer to lose out on the money they paid for a vehicle that is shown to be faulty and then expect the customer to pay more on top of that to replace the vehicle. She said she would open a claim and try to call the dealer and then have a district person contact me. I called the next day on Thursday 10/25/12 and asked for an update. I spoke to Tamara who said the notes stated when Luisa called the dealer that they were closed. I asked her if it said what time Luisa called, and she stated around 7pm. The dealer doesn't close until 8pm. I informed Tamara of this and she said she wasn't sure why Luisa said that, but she would notify Luisa to contact me. Luisa never contacted me. I called a few hours later and spoke to Bob. Bob said the case still stated Luisa was working on getting a hold of the dealer, but was unsuccessful so he would try when we got off the phone. I did not hear anything back so I called again in the evening and spoke to Norman. Norman said Luisa noted the case that she called the dealer again but no one supposedly answered. I asked him to call the dealer with me on the phone, and he did. He had no issues getting a hold of the dealer. He told me it could now be escalated so a district person could contact me and he sympathized with me and how I felt about being asked to eat over $5,000 and still pay more for another car that was the same vehicle. I told him I needed someone to call me back as soon as possible because the dealer was trying to order a car the following day. He said he expedited it as much as he could.

On Friday morning 10/26/12 Elizabeth called me at 9:30am. I unfortunately missed the call and returned her call within two minutes. I was not able to get a hold of her for the rest of the day. I spoke to the dealer that day as well and they stated they were able to get an additional $500 in trade assistance but could not do anything further. I worked with them on placing an order for a vehicle and told them I'm still not satisfied about the money I've lost out on and will continue to lose out on. On Monday 10/29/12 afternoon Elizabeth called me back and said she was aware that an order was being placed by the dealer for a vehicle and that they had achieved trade assistance of $4,000. She asked me if there was anything further she could do. I explained to her that I felt GM was not showing care for a customer that purchased a brand new vehicle that is obviously faulty by expecting them to eat their car payment for the last year and a half along with pay more for an equivalent vehicle. I informed her that I have been a loyal GM customer, but discovering that this is how GM treats its customer when they receive a faulty vehicle is a slap in the face to their customers. She stated she agreed and asked what more I was seeking. I told her I would like GM to meet me somewhere in the money I've lost paying on the faulty and unsafe vehicle for the past year and a half. I told her I understand that I'm not required to pay anything further on the vehicle, but if it wasn't for these issues I wouldn't even be considering trading the vehicle in and would have happily kept paying on the vehicle and driving it until who knows when. So if I wouldn't have had all the issues, I would be in vehicle that was worth what I paid for. Therefore I would like GM to show that they care about customers who go through these situations and lose out on money and their vehicle by helping to at least meet halfway with the money that was lost. She said she didn't see that as being unfair would look into what else she could do for me and would let me know on Thursday 11/1/12. I received a call this morning 11/1/12 from a rep named Supa who stated GM would do nothing further than the trade assistance that was already offered and that while she sympathized with me there was nothing else that would be done. I told her that I am very disappointed that GM would treat its customers this way.

I am in disbelief that GM handles customers this way. I bought what I trusted to be a safe, reliable, and fuel efficient vehicle. It's accomplished fuel efficiency, but not safety or reliability. It's had a total of three failed components, two of them caused safety issues. Also, the transmission issues still hasn't been resolved. If I wanted a car that I would have to worry about, I would have kept my 2000 cougar that I had zero car payment on. Now I feel as though GM doesn't care, and while they've offered trade assistance so i owe nothing further on the vehicle I am forced to eat over $5,000 to get out of the vehicle that has proven it's faulty. I feel I'm trapped into another GM vehicle because of the trade assistance, because if I don't use it then I will lose out on even more money. This is the worst feeling I have ever had with a GM vehicle, and I'm severely disappointed. My grandpa is a retired GM employee, and my step-dad works for Ford. So I have my choice of employee pricing for either domestic car company. I have usually purchased GM vehicles when it's come to new vehicles because I've had good experiences in the past. This experience has ruined my confidence that GM builds quality vehicles, and that they care about their customers. There is hardly a worse feeling than having to choose between losing money and being forced to pay for a new vehicle, losing more money by going to another car company, or continuing to drive an unreliable and at times unsafe vehicle to prevent losing money. No matter what, I am losing money because I trusted this car to be what GM promised it to be and now that it's turned out to be the opposite they won't stand completely behind it and take care of it.
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Wow...that was a lot to read.

Let me try to explain some of this.

To begin with, we've had reports of some of those problems come in. They appear to be vendor related and limited to early production years of the Cruze. 2011 models had significantly more issues than 2012 models did, and unfortunately, many 2011 owners became guinnea pigs. I'm not going to try to sugar coat that one as we've seen the issues come in. Many parts were redesigned, and many issues were fixed that one wouldn't find on a later model. We have seen reports of the water pumps failing, and I have been in touch with the Technology Communications Manager for GM Powertrain Global regarding the water pump gasket failures. I sent him another email just now asking for an update.

With regard to the 2013 models being more expensive, a lot of that has to do with the upgraded features on the car. You're not just paying more for the same car; you're paying more for a better car. Just something to keep in mind, although I do believe they could do better on the trade-in value.

I'd say $4,000 on trade-in assistance could be improved, but I commend them for offering it to you anyway. If pushed to, I think they would be willing to work something out that would allow you to pay off your entire loan before signing on for a new one. You can't blame GM for not doing anything here. It is arguable that they aren't doing enough, but at the same time, the car does have 30k miles on it and you've been driving it for at least a year. Just explaining it from a business standpoint.

I can tell you all day long that I know how you feel since I've been there, but I know it won't help. All I can tell you with certainty is that the 2012 and 2013 model Cruze is many times more reliable than the 2011 model Cruze, and many Cruze owners on this board will vouch for that. We have a few members who have exceeded 60k miles on their Cruze and reported minor or no issues at all.

I've sent this thread over to my contact in Public Relations/Social Media to see if there's anything she can do.
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Ouch. Sorry to hear about all that.

It sounds like your dealer is not terribly concerned about keeping you as a customer, either. Remember, dealers are independent agents of GM, not owned by GM themselves. If you've purchased your other two vehicles from that same dealer, I'd point this out to them also, and see what they can do too to help swing the deal. Otherwise they'll have a very angry customer telling other folks not to buy from them, and that hurts their bottom line.

So, are they offering $15,500 for the car and another $4000 on top of that, or is that $4000 included in the $15,500 figure? If they're offering only $11,500 for a 2011 before the trade-in assistance, that's awfully low. If it's the former, then it's a bit more fair. It still could be better, though.

Like Xtreme said, the 2012 and 2013 Cruzes are more reliable and do have more features than the 2011's, so they did increase in price. For an Eco, the 2012 was $600 more than the 2011 because it got more features standard, and some additional packages. For 2013, it's gone up more since they added a much fancier touchscreen radio and some other little toys.

Hope it works out for you!
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I got an update back from my contact at GM.

Thanks for sending to me. I'm going to send this to a few people and see if we can't better this situation for your member.
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Sorry to hear. I have had nothing but problems with my 12' Eco. Although only one was a safety issue (brakes). I was only offered free oil changes and tire rotations! Truly a slap in the face for someone who has owned over 10 GM products.

I have PM'd Stacy, the GM service rep for this forum, twice with no response. To me, that says they don't care. I'll give my hard earned money to a different car company as soon as I get out of this piece of junk.

You can count me as another Loyal customer lost as well.

Good luck with your case.
I'm sorry to hear about that, and that would be more than enough to make me never want to deal with them again. The dealer experience alone will make or break your loyalty to a brand in general, no matter what other people say or how the company tries to convince you they've changed.

My parents went through a similar process with a Chrysler Town & Country van years ago, and after 6 months of arguing with the "higher-ups" at the company, they finally got them to take that piece of junk off their hands for the price of a new vehicle worth what the car was originally worth.

It would be my hope that GM would do something similar for you, but it doesn't sound like they're willing to negotiate to match your loss on the car for another.

My dad ended up with a Honda as the reliable family vehicle, and a somewhat less but still pretty troublesome Jeep that Chrysler pretty much paid for the first year of payments (that he had in already on the van). He was so pleased with that Honda, the dealer service, etc., that after 5 years, he traded it on another which has also been great for 5 years. It's not the most amazing vehicle in the world, but to him, the dealer/service hospitality will keep him coming back - in fact, he bought my sister's used car from that same dealer.
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Sorry to hear. I have had nothing but problems with my 12' Eco. Although only one was a safety issue (brakes). I was only offered free oil changes and tire rotations! Truly a slap in the face for someone who has owned over 10 GM products.

I have PM'd Stacy, the GM service rep for this forum, twice with no response. To me, that says they don't care. I'll give my hard earned money to a different car company as soon as I get out of this piece of junk.

You can count me as another Loyal customer lost as well.

Good luck with your case.
That doesn't say they don't care. Not caring assumes that they ignored your two PMs. Do you have any proof that they ignored them? I doubt you do. Stacy is here to help as much as she can, but if you've been paying attention to posts made on this forum, you'll notice that she has been extremely busy to the point where someone else has stepped in to try to do some of her communication on this board. I don't recall the name, but it at minimum explains why you didn't receive a response.

If you wish to contact GM customer service, and Stacy on this board has not been able to respond to your messages for whatever reason, you should have contacted GM customer service directly and filed a case with them over the phone.

You had one issue, that they took responsibility for and fixed. I don't quite understand why you feel entitled to any additional compensation or special treatment when they offered you free tire rotations and oil changes for your inconvenience. I can sympathize with disgruntled owners who have experienced issues with their vehicle, but to demand that GM compensate you for your inconvenience beyond taking responsibility for the problem and offering you courtesy oil changes and tire rotations just seems a bit far fetched. They've fulfilled their responsibility and then some.
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boostedirl, to prove that GM cares, they have offered to contact you directly. My contact at GM has notified me that she heard back from Executive Customer Service and would like to get your contact information.

They need your name, cell phone number, and e-mail address. Please send me that information in a private message and I will pass it along.
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This is a slap in the face. Not only am I out over $5,000 in car payments I've made over the last year and a half due to buying an obviously faulty vehicle, I am expected to pay more to replace it with the exact same vehicle only a year or two newer.
Sorry for your troubles but think you are missing the part where you drove the car 30,000miles, do you expect to get those miles & 2years of driving for free? Even when you lemon law a car they deduct the mileage on the car as a depreciation.

I for one would be happy that they are trying to help you out at all, I'm sure there are others with first year cars that have had more issues than yourself that have not been offered squat.
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boostedirl, to prove that GM cares, they have offered to contact you directly. My contact at GM has notified me that she heard back from Executive Customer Service and would like to get your contact information.

They need your name, cell phone number, and e-mail address. Please send me that information in a private message and I will pass it along.

/salute
That doesn't say they don't care. Not caring assumes that they ignored your two PMs. Do you have any proof that they ignored them? I doubt you do. Stacy is here to help as much as she can, but if you've been paying attention to posts made on this forum, you'll notice that she has been extremely busy to the point where someone else has stepped in to try to do some of her communication on this board. I don't recall the name, but it at minimum explains why you didn't receive a response.

If you wish to contact GM customer service, and Stacy on this board has not been able to respond to your messages for whatever reason, you should have contacted GM customer service directly and filed a case with them over the phone.

You had one issue, that they took responsibility for and fixed. I don't quite understand why you feel entitled to any additional compensation or special treatment when they offered you free tire rotations and oil changes for your inconvenience. I can sympathize with disgruntled owners who have experienced issues with their vehicle, but to demand that GM compensate you for your inconvenience beyond taking responsibility for the problem and offering you courtesy oil changes and tire rotations just seems a bit far fetched. They've fulfilled their responsibility and then some.

You have no clue what you are talking about. Not that I need to explain it to you.... But, my ignored PM's date back to 10/17/12.

Nowhere did I say I had "1" issue. Go back and read my original post.

As for the brake issue that I referred to, they didn't fix it, they put a band aid on it. I've talked to "district managers" at GM who all sound like they just graduated high school. No help there.

The forum is here for people to express opinions and experiences. Which is what I'm doing. I was a GM fanboy when I purchased the car. But, multiple trips to the dealer costing me TIME and MONEY and still having multiple issues has destroyed my confidence in the company. Whether or not you understand that or agree with it is irrelevant.

I'm glad you are happy with your car...........I'm not.
Sorry for your troubles but think you are missing the part where you drove the car 30,000miles, do you expect to get those miles & 2years of driving for free? Even when you lemon law a car they deduct the mileage on the car as a depreciation.

I for one would be happy that they are trying to help you out at all, I'm sure there are others with first year cars that have had more issues than yourself that have not been offered squat.
No ****.

Not GMs fault that this guy is upside-down and owes 20K on a car that's worth 15.5K.

They're giving you 20K for a car that's worth 15.5, what more do you want? It's not their fault that you don't seem to understand what depreciation is or how $0 down loans work, or MSRPs on a vehicle with more features for that matter.

Their deal seems fair to me. I'd be grateful.
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Ouch. Sorry to hear about all that.

It sounds like your dealer is not terribly concerned about keeping you as a customer, either. Remember, dealers are independent agents of GM, not owned by GM themselves. If you've purchased your other two vehicles from that same dealer, I'd point this out to them also, and see what they can do too to help swing the deal. Otherwise they'll have a very angry customer telling other folks not to buy from them, and that hurts their bottom line.

So, are they offering $15,500 for the car and another $4000 on top of that, or is that $4000 included in the $15,500 figure? If they're offering only $11,500 for a 2011 before the trade-in assistance, that's awfully low. If it's the former, then it's a bit more fair. It still could be better, though.

Like Xtreme said, the 2012 and 2013 Cruzes are more reliable and do have more features than the 2011's, so they did increase in price. For an Eco, the 2012 was $600 more than the 2011 because it got more features standard, and some additional packages. For 2013, it's gone up more since they added a much fancier touchscreen radio and some other little toys.

Hope it works out for you!
they were offering 15,500 for the trade and then 4,000 trade assist.

boostedirl, to prove that GM cares, they have offered to contact you directly. My contact at GM has notified me that she heard back from Executive Customer Service and would like to get your contact information.

They need your name, cell phone number, and e-mail address. Please send me that information in a private message and I will pass it along.
pm'ed you the info. thank you for your help and time.

Sorry for your troubles but think you are missing the part where you drove the car 30,000miles, do you expect to get those miles & 2years of driving for free? Even when you lemon law a car they deduct the mileage on the car as a depreciation.

I for one would be happy that they are trying to help you out at all, I'm sure there are others with first year cars that have had more issues than yourself that have not been offered squat.
Look, for the past 18 months that I've owned the vehicle it's been in service a little over three months total time. So I had the vehicle to drive for 15 of the past 18 months. I never said I expected to drive the car for free for my troubles. No one should be happy to have purchased a vehicle and lose out on so much money because it ended up being a faulty vehicle. The mindset of thinking "well others have probably had it worse and got less" is garbage. No one should be ok with purchasing a product that falls short on several occasions and the manufacture doesn't stand behind it expecting the customer to pay more to get rid of it. We all work hard and pay good money for our products, there should be no room for acceptance of failed products and being asked to pay more. That goes for any product, not just cars. I'm sorry, but the fact that people are not held accountable for what they do is irritating the crap out of me anymore. End rant, lol. I will say this in addition, things happen and stuff goes wrong. When that happens, it doesn't mean the company is a bad company. It all depends on how they handle it. If they take care of it, and show appreciation for your loyalty then they continue to deserve your business.
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...sometimes, GM has to "pay" for the combined problems of (a) their own design/production/assembly errors and (b) the incompetence of their authorized-dealership service(?) departments...a consequence of manufacturing & selling a vehicle that seemingly only service technicians with PhD's can successfully work on.
The forum is here for people to express opinions and experiences. Which is what I'm doing. I was a GM fanboy when I purchased the car. But, multiple trips to the dealer costing me TIME and MONEY and still having multiple issues has destroyed my confidence in the company. Whether or not you understand that or agree with it is irrelevant.
I recall having this conversation before, but I talk to enough people on a daily basis on this board that I don't remember their usernames half the time. I did however go through your list of posts (yes, all ~50 of them) to make sure I had my story straight. I attempted to help you with some of your issues and explain them back in September, which was not well received.

http://www.cruzetalk.com/forum/9-ch...m/8544-brake-saga-continues-3.html#post122376

I said the following in response to one of your rude comments there:

There are people here who are willing to help, and they are quite generous with their time and patience when it comes to people like you, who are frustrated with their cars. However, they don't take too kindly when you shove it back in their face and continue to rant on about how terrible your car is. Keep it up, and you'll find out why I suggested you fly a kite instead of continue venting.
Despite my warning, you have continued trolling this forum as if it was your personal mission to express your contempt of this vehicle at every opportunity. You have made it more difficult for others here who genuinely care to offer help and assistance, and you have wasted my time in the process. Despite having issues with your car, you have not presented anyone here with an opportunity to assist you, and have resorted to undermining the efforts of those who do all they can to help any members that do have issues.

I am kindly asking that you stop trolling threads on this forum with your complaints and attempts to discourage current owners, as your behavior is indirect opposition with the goals of this community. If you have any specific issues that need resolving and have not been able to reach a resolution through your dealership, you are more than welcome to create a new thread as the original poster of this thread has done, and we will point you in the right direction; providing you with resources that would assist your dealership in correctly diagnosing and resolving any problems you may have with your Cruze, to the best of our abilities. In some cases, I may take the time out of my day and reach out to my GM contacts so they can assist you.

You have adequately vented your concerns and frustrations. Considering you have not sought help or assistance, repeatedly expressing your contempt of General Motors while refusing offers for help and ignoring requests from CruzeTalk staff to cease doing so will be labeled as spam, will be reported, and will be treated accordingly.

If you are not here to offer help, ask for help, or contribute in a positive manner, then you have no reason to be here.
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pm'ed you the info. thank you for your help and time.
I have received your PM and have forwarded your contact information to my contact in GM. As she has been very prompt in responding to my emails, I have every reason to believe that you will be contacted in the very near future. Please keep us posted.
You can stay on your high horse or come down to earth. I am not trying to discourage anyone. I will continue to share my experiences in posts where members have had similar experiances. I don't post in threads titled "Oh yay, I love my Cruze"! I post in threads where people are having similar experiences to mine.

Despite what you may think, or claim to know, the fact is; you have NO IDEA the lengths I have gone to take care of the issues. Do you work for GM?

It's great that your Cruze is problem free. Mine is not.... even to this day. I have had more than 20 cars in the past and I have NEVER EVER had one with so many problems.

I will continue to view, or as you call it "troll" threads and share my experiences. If you want to "ban" me for expressing my experiences and pretend like all the Cruzes that roll of the line are perfect, then go right ahead.

As far as wasting your time, I have never once asked for your help and you have not done anything for me (except aggrivate me). I would much prefer if you concentrate on other tasks quite honestly. Do you see anyone besides yourself objecting to my posts?

By stifling my voice and threatening me (indirectly), what exactly are you trying to accomplish? You want to paint a rosy picture of owner experiences when that is not always the case? The original creator of this thread could have been killed because of issues with his car and you want me to ignore the post and not contribute?

I think you need to re-evaluate your agenda.
Please start a thread describing the other issues you've had and whether or not they have been taken care of.
Please start a thread describing the other issues you've had and whether or not they have been taken care of.

Not interested in doing that and opening a whole other can of worms.

However, I will agree not to acknowledge any more post directed at me from XtremeRevolution.
There are trolls a plenty here, and there are genuinely dissatisfied customers. This guy sounds like the second.
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No ****. Not GMs fault that this guy is upside-down and owes 20K on a car that's worth 15.5K. They're giving you 20K for a car that's worth 15.5, what more do you want? It's not their fault that you don't seem to understand what depreciation is or how $0 down loans work, or MSRPs on a vehicle with more features for that matter. Their deal seems fair to me. I'd be grateful.
No, I disagree with that. They can do better. Come correct. They aren't offering enough. He should keep his payment the same and get into a 2012 vehicle. There's dealers around GIVING them out right now. **** that. What people don't understand about depreciation is that it IS linear. The first year hit is all dealer profit costs. They can go to ****.

You want to warranty a car for 100,000 miles and slash its value in half on 30,000 highway miles? Nope, it will NEVER be enough.
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