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Chevy is losing a very loyal customer (lots of issues and long explanation)

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I have a 2011 Cruze LTZ RS purchased back in May of 2011. I purchased the car after trading in a 2000 Mercury Cougar that I paid $1,000 for, but I grew tired of needing to repair something every few months, and at one point was left stranded by the vehicle. I had no car payment on that car and I was only trading it in so I could get a more reliable car that was safer and had better fuel economy. My cruze currently has 31k miles on it, 80% of those miles are easy 65mph highway driving. I have a 70 mile round trip commute to work. This car has been an absolute nightmare. After only owning the vehicle a few months I noticed a grinding noise from inside the cabin that only presented itself while idling. I scheduled a service appointment and they couldn't diagnose it. A few weeks later it got worse so I scheduled another service appointment and again they still couldn't figure out what it was. After a few months of the problem worsening I made yet another service appointment in March of this year. I got a call saying the vehicle was fixed, they thought it was the way an a/c line was routed that was touching the firewall causing the noise. When I picked the vehicle up as soon as I went to leave the lot it made the same grinding noise again. I immediately went and grabbed the Service Manager and had him listen to it. He said to leave the vehicle with them to figure out what was still causing it. I was called again after a few days saying the AC Compressor went bad and it was replaced in the vehicle, so the vehicle was ready for pickup. So my brand new car that wasn't even a year old with 19k miles on it had an AC Compressor fail. That should have been my first sign of the nightmare to come.

Four months later my wife and I were on our way home during a severe thunderstorm. We were a few blocks from home sitting at an intersection when the car alarmed us saying "AC Off Due to High Engine Temp". We made a left hand turned over a set of rail road tracks and as we were doing so the temp gauge went to red and the cabin filled with steam. We could not see outside the vehicle and had to immediately pull over. As we pulled over we hit a curb damaging a wheel and scaring us quite a bit. Luckily we did not hit anything else, or worse a vehicle or pedestrian. I called Onstar and asked what was happening. At this point we still couldn't see outside the vehicle, and I couldn't even stick my head out the window to see because it was during a sever thunderstorm with heavy rain. Onstar stated the car had basically overheated and needed to be turned off and towed. The rain had slowed down, and the Onstar rep stated if we were very close to home he would stay on the phone with us to make sure nothing else happened if we wanted to continue home as opposed to being stranded waiting for a tow. We opted to drive home. My wife just continuously kept wiping the windshield with a cloth so I could see to get home. We made it home and I asked the Onstar rep to document what happened so when I get it towed to the dealer the next day they can see it. The rep told me he had no way of doing so. I called the dealer the next day and had it towed in. The vehicle had about 26k miles on it and was only a year and two months old at this point. I was informed by the dealer a week later that the water pump had failed, the gasket physically shot out of the pump and thats what caused all the issues. They fixed the damaged wheel at this time as well being that it was caused by this. So at only a little over a year old the car has had two failed components, with this one putting my wife and I in a seriously unsafe situation. Had it happened just a few minutes earlier we would have been on the highway doing 65mph. Luckily it happened when we were in town and there was no traffic. At this point, my confidence in the vehicle was just about gone.

After getting the car back from the last failure, it only took two weeks for another problem to present itself. The car began to have intermittent shifting issues. Sometimes when the vehicle first starts up when you go from "P" to "D" it slams into "D" and shakes the entire care. Also, while driving the vehicle it randomly feels like it's stutter shifting as if it's not sure what gear it wants to go in. While driving in town it occasionally shifts hard while up or down shifting. I made and appointment with the dealer for these problems. They flashed an update to the cars computer, and this helped for a day or two before the problems came up again. At this point my wedding was coming up along with my honeymoon so I wasn't able to take the car in again until we got back.

When I returned from my honeymoon in September of this year I called the dealer to make an appointment a few days later for the continuing transmission issues. Before I was able to take the car into the dealer another problem presented itself. One morning when I left for work very early I was coming out of my development approaching a stop sign to an intersecting 45mph state road. As I approached the stop sign at about 25mph I applied the brakes and didn't feel the car begin to slow down. I pressed the brake pedal all the way to the floor, heard a whoosh noise, and with a second or two delay the car slowly stopped as I rolled through the stop sign partially on the the intersecting road. Luckily, there were no cars coming or this could have been a very bad accident. The pedal was very spongy, and did stop the care immediately like pushing the pedal to the floor should. I pumped the pedal a few times until it built up pressure then continued my drive to work cautiously. When I left work that afternoon I tested the pedal before pulling out of the lot, sure enough the same thing happened. Once the pedal was pumped a few times and the care warmed up, the firm pedal returned and the car would stop like normal. I informed the dealer of this when I dropped the vehicle off the following day. They had the car for about two weeks and stated they couldn't duplicate any of my issues. I went into the dealer and drove it with the sale manager because the service manage was not there that day. When I drove it with him the brake pedal was spongy and it had delayed braking as soon as we went to leave the lot. He heard the whoosh as well when this happened. We continued to drive it to try to bring up the transmission issues but unfortunately they didn't present themselves. Once we got back to the shop they took the car back to look at the brake issue. After a few days they called and said it was fixed by resurfacing the rotors and replacing the pads. I went in to pick the vehicle up and as soon as I left the parking space the brake pedal was spongy and went to the floor not stopping the car for a second or two. I went right back in and told them. They kept the vehicle for another few days then called me and said they replaced the Brake Boosted Pump and Vacuum Pipe. This seems to have fixed the brake problem, but the transmission problem still exist. This was the third failed component on the vehicle with about 30k miles on it. This was the second safety issue the car had. At this point, the sales manager and service manager said they were working with corporate to get me out of the vehicle because it's had so many problems and the transmission issue has not been resolved. I told them I was very disappointed in everything, after all I traded in a vehicle that had no car payments that required maintenance every few months to now have a car with a car payment that needs maintenance every few months and had put me in unsafe situations not once but twice.

About two weeks ago I went into the dealer because they said they had received assistance from corporate to take my vehicle back and get me into a vehicle that would have the safety and reliability I originally purchased the car for. When we sat down to discuss the details they told me I would receive $4,000 in trade assistance and they would give me $15,500 for my car. The pay off on the car at the time was roughly $20,000. The salesman showed me a 2012 Cruze and a 2013 that was the same car as mine and said with the tax savings of trading my car in I wouldn't owe anything else on my current loan. The problem comes in when the price for the Cruze has gone up since I purchased mine and would be expected to pay an additional $40/month more in car payment. This is a slap in the face. Not only am I out over $5,000 in car payments I've made over the last year and a half due to buying an obviously faulty vehicle, I am expected to pay more to replace it with the exact same vehicle only a year or two newer. I told the dealer my feelings on this and they agreed, but said there was nothing else they could do. They looked into ordering me a different vehicle.

I contacted corporate GM last Wednesday 10/24/12. I spoke with a lady by the name of Luisa and explained my feelings to her. I explained all the issues I've had, and that I continued to have a transmission issue. I told her everything the dealer said. I also explained to her that I have a Saturn Ion Redline along with a Chevy Equinox, I am a loyal GM customer. I have planned to always be one because I have never had an issued with the way GM took care of their customers. I explained to her that I feel GM is adding insult to injury when they expect a customer to lose out on the money they paid for a vehicle that is shown to be faulty and then expect the customer to pay more on top of that to replace the vehicle. She said she would open a claim and try to call the dealer and then have a district person contact me. I called the next day on Thursday 10/25/12 and asked for an update. I spoke to Tamara who said the notes stated when Luisa called the dealer that they were closed. I asked her if it said what time Luisa called, and she stated around 7pm. The dealer doesn't close until 8pm. I informed Tamara of this and she said she wasn't sure why Luisa said that, but she would notify Luisa to contact me. Luisa never contacted me. I called a few hours later and spoke to Bob. Bob said the case still stated Luisa was working on getting a hold of the dealer, but was unsuccessful so he would try when we got off the phone. I did not hear anything back so I called again in the evening and spoke to Norman. Norman said Luisa noted the case that she called the dealer again but no one supposedly answered. I asked him to call the dealer with me on the phone, and he did. He had no issues getting a hold of the dealer. He told me it could now be escalated so a district person could contact me and he sympathized with me and how I felt about being asked to eat over $5,000 and still pay more for another car that was the same vehicle. I told him I needed someone to call me back as soon as possible because the dealer was trying to order a car the following day. He said he expedited it as much as he could.

On Friday morning 10/26/12 Elizabeth called me at 9:30am. I unfortunately missed the call and returned her call within two minutes. I was not able to get a hold of her for the rest of the day. I spoke to the dealer that day as well and they stated they were able to get an additional $500 in trade assistance but could not do anything further. I worked with them on placing an order for a vehicle and told them I'm still not satisfied about the money I've lost out on and will continue to lose out on. On Monday 10/29/12 afternoon Elizabeth called me back and said she was aware that an order was being placed by the dealer for a vehicle and that they had achieved trade assistance of $4,000. She asked me if there was anything further she could do. I explained to her that I felt GM was not showing care for a customer that purchased a brand new vehicle that is obviously faulty by expecting them to eat their car payment for the last year and a half along with pay more for an equivalent vehicle. I informed her that I have been a loyal GM customer, but discovering that this is how GM treats its customer when they receive a faulty vehicle is a slap in the face to their customers. She stated she agreed and asked what more I was seeking. I told her I would like GM to meet me somewhere in the money I've lost paying on the faulty and unsafe vehicle for the past year and a half. I told her I understand that I'm not required to pay anything further on the vehicle, but if it wasn't for these issues I wouldn't even be considering trading the vehicle in and would have happily kept paying on the vehicle and driving it until who knows when. So if I wouldn't have had all the issues, I would be in vehicle that was worth what I paid for. Therefore I would like GM to show that they care about customers who go through these situations and lose out on money and their vehicle by helping to at least meet halfway with the money that was lost. She said she didn't see that as being unfair would look into what else she could do for me and would let me know on Thursday 11/1/12. I received a call this morning 11/1/12 from a rep named Supa who stated GM would do nothing further than the trade assistance that was already offered and that while she sympathized with me there was nothing else that would be done. I told her that I am very disappointed that GM would treat its customers this way.

I am in disbelief that GM handles customers this way. I bought what I trusted to be a safe, reliable, and fuel efficient vehicle. It's accomplished fuel efficiency, but not safety or reliability. It's had a total of three failed components, two of them caused safety issues. Also, the transmission issues still hasn't been resolved. If I wanted a car that I would have to worry about, I would have kept my 2000 cougar that I had zero car payment on. Now I feel as though GM doesn't care, and while they've offered trade assistance so i owe nothing further on the vehicle I am forced to eat over $5,000 to get out of the vehicle that has proven it's faulty. I feel I'm trapped into another GM vehicle because of the trade assistance, because if I don't use it then I will lose out on even more money. This is the worst feeling I have ever had with a GM vehicle, and I'm severely disappointed. My grandpa is a retired GM employee, and my step-dad works for Ford. So I have my choice of employee pricing for either domestic car company. I have usually purchased GM vehicles when it's come to new vehicles because I've had good experiences in the past. This experience has ruined my confidence that GM builds quality vehicles, and that they care about their customers. There is hardly a worse feeling than having to choose between losing money and being forced to pay for a new vehicle, losing more money by going to another car company, or continuing to drive an unreliable and at times unsafe vehicle to prevent losing money. No matter what, I am losing money because I trusted this car to be what GM promised it to be and now that it's turned out to be the opposite they won't stand completely behind it and take care of it.
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Not interested in doing that and opening a whole other can of worms.

However, I will agree not to acknowledge any more post directed at me from XtremeRevolution.
You have a PM.

There are trolls a plenty here, and there are genuinely dissatisfied customers. This guy sounds like the second.
The difference between a troll and a dissatisfied customer is that the latter expresses their dissatisfaction adequately respectfully with tact in a thread of his own and continues on his day, while the former continues to spam his dissatisfaction in every thread he has the opportunity like a personal vendetta against GM.
I know what a troll is. I haven't seen this guy spamming threads all over the place though and telling people not to buy these cars because they suck.

But if you want a few, I can gladly point them out.
Sounds like some misplaced anger. Yeah, you got ripped off. It's not our fault. You are certainly entitled to your buyers remorse but I agree there is no reason to crap up the forum with it. Venting can be done elsewhere or differently.

Still, I stand by my opinion that GM probably could come with a better offer. However it is not exclusive to GM at all it is just the nature of the car business.
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No ****.

Not GMs fault that this guy is upside-down and owes 20K on a car that's worth 15.5K.

They're giving you 20K for a car that's worth 15.5, what more do you want? It's not their fault that you don't seem to understand what depreciation is or how $0 down loans work, or MSRPs on a vehicle with more features for that matter.

Their deal seems fair to me. I'd be grateful.
Wow, seriously? I have a very good understanding of depreciation. If I didn't have all the issues I've had and was just trading the car in, then yes I could see why someone should be happy with getting out of a loan owing nothing. However, I've had several issues and continue to have an issue so this isn't your average car. You say it's not gm's fault for depreciation, well guess what...it's not my fault I purchased a faulty vehicle. If it wasn't faulty, this wouldn't be an issue because I loved the car prior to all the issues. I wouldn't even be considering another car if my cruze was fine. I paid for a car that works reliably and safely, that's all I'm asking for. I just want a vehicle that gives what you pay for it to do. I'm simply asking GM to stand behind their products and not to expect me to pay for someone else's mistake. Hold those people accountable and get the money from for gproducing faulty parts.
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I think you'd be very happy with a 12 or 13. As for the price difference, it's been mentioned before that there are still 12s on the lot that you can get a good deal on.

IMO, other than having trouble with some unreliable and/or incompetent people who work for GM, it sounds like most of your frustration has to do with the dealership. I don't think you mentioned if you went to the same dealership or tried different places to get your car fixed.

Wow, seriously? I have a very good understanding of depreciation. If I didn't have all the issues I've had and was just trading the car in, then yes I could see why someone should be happy with getting out of a loan owing nothing. However, I've had several issues and continue to have an issue so this isn't your average car. You say it's not gm's fault for depreciation, well guess what...it's not my fault I purchased a faulty vehicle. If it wasn't faulty, this wouldn't be an issue because I loved the car prior to all the issues. I wouldn't even be considering another car if my cruze was fine. I paid for a car that works reliably and safely, that's all I'm asking for. I just want a vehicle that gives what you pay for it to do. I'm simply asking GM to stand behind their products and not to expect me to pay for someone else's mistake. Hold those people accountable and get the money from for gproducing faulty parts.
I have a feeling you're not going to get what you want. GM is standing behind their product by offering you more than the car is worth considering you did get 30k miles out of it. Asking for full refund of what you paid is stretching it a bit.
You have no clue what you are talking about. Not that I need to explain it to you.... But, my ignored PM's date back to 10/17/12.

Nowhere did I say I had "1" issue. Go back and read my original post.

As for the brake issue that I referred to, they didn't fix it, they put a band aid on it. I've talked to "district managers" at GM who all sound like they just graduated high school. No help there.

The forum is here for people to express opinions and experiences. Which is what I'm doing. I was a GM fanboy when I purchased the car. But, multiple trips to the dealer costing me TIME and MONEY and still having multiple issues has destroyed my confidence in the company. Whether or not you understand that or agree with it is irrelevant.

I'm glad you are happy with your car...........I'm not.
All of us here understand your situation, and it sucks that you have to deal with this. But keep in mind we are all here to help in any way we can.

I do work for GM, so if you want, PM me with your situation and I can help as much as I can.

That being said, despite the frustration you have the right to have right now, please be respectful to everyone. We all want our fellow members and owners to be happy, and stay that way as much as we can do about it..

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The fact that GM is willing to offer you the 4k assistance in purchasing a brand new car is quite exceptional. (The KBB high trade-in is about 1k less than what the dealer offered you BTW so even they seem to be trying to help.)

You have driven this vehicle for 2 years and 31000 miles and you expect GM to pay for that usage? Come on. If you don't like the deal they offer, then keep the car. I'm sure they'll replace the transmission and send you on your way.
Boost, for each repair, did you pay out of pocket? or was it covered by the powertrain?
The fact that GM is willing to offer you the 4k assistance in purchasing a brand new car is quite exceptional. (The KBB high trade-in is about 1k less than what the dealer offered you BTW so even they seem to be trying to help.)

You have driven this vehicle for 2 years and 31000 miles and you expect GM to pay for that usage? Come on. If you don't like the deal they offer, then keep the car. I'm sure they'll replace the transmission and send you on your way.
This is the part that bothers me about vehicle depreciation. I have the identical same car as the OP. My car was produced in March of 2011 (2011 model) and was not purchased until August 2011. Therefore, it is 15 months old and I too have 32,000 miles on my vehicle at this time. Cars may depreciate with mileage but their functionality is more dependent on calender age rather than mileage. My vehicle still looks like it did the day it drove off the lot. My Grandmother's '05 Taurus has 30,000 miles on it as well and looks like a rust bucket. -____-

For what it's worth, my dealer offered me a $14,500 trade in value in August. They recently set me a revised quote of $15,200 as of last week.
This is the part that bothers me about vehicle depreciation. I have the identical same car as the OP. My car was produced in March of 2011 (2011 model) and was not purchased until August 2011. Therefore, it is 15 months old and I too have 32,000 miles on my vehicle at this time. Cars may depreciate with mileage but their functionality is more dependent on calender age rather than mileage. My vehicle still looks like it did the day it drove off the lot. My Grandmother's '05 Taurus has 30,000 miles on it as well and looks like a rust bucket. -____-

For what it's worth, my dealer offered me a $14,500 trade in value in August. They recently set me a revised quote of $15,200 as of last week.
This is why I try to keep my vehicles until the wheels fall off.
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Boost, for each repair, did you pay out of pocket? or was it covered by the powertrain?
The dealer paid for them. They did not give me any problems with repairing the vehicle, they just took a little bit of time to diagnose things. The transmission issue intermittent and still ongoing. I'm happy for the most part with my dealer. I'm appreciative of the trade assist that they have achieved for me. I am just disappointed that a vehicle would have three failures, two of them safety issues, and a fourth ongoing issue.

This is why I try to keep my vehicles until the wheels fall off.
This is exactly what I wanted to do with this car. Depreciation would mean nothing to me if the vehicle would have been what I purchased it to be. I was completely content with the vehicle until all the issues started happening. Had the issues not presented themselves, I would have never considered getting rid of the vehicle.

Here's an off the wall opinion for those who think I should just deal with it, your completely fine with paying for a product that fails and eating the cost to replace it? How about we hold those who build failed parts accountable for producing such a product? Is it really that far out to think we should do this? GM should be going to these distributors and telling them look, you gave us an inferior product that is hurting our brand. Either you up your standards and give us products that work, or we will see that you pay for the crap product you gave us and you will no longer be a parts distributor for us. I loved my car, I had no intention of ever getting rid of it before all this happened. I am meticulous in taking care of my cars as well. So the issues they are undertaking in getting my car back, are not issues I've caused. The people who gave them these faulty parts should be held responsible. I at no point in time ever asked to be fully reimbursed for my vehicle either by the way. I am not an ignorant consumer that just expects the world to be handed to me, however I am a consumer that expects that when I buy a product it will work as described. If the product fails, I expect the company to stand behind it and go after those who are accountable for their failures. What in world happened to a country that took pride in the things they made and the things they purchased? Is it seriously too far off to think that a person shouldn't just say ok, you made a product that fails so I'm completely ok giving you more of money to replace said product? This doesn't just go for GM, this goes for every company out there. Things will never get fixed if you simply let it roll of your shoulder and continue to shell out more money. I am thankful for what GM had done so far, I'm just asking for gratitude for my loyalty that's been displayed and meet me somewhere in the middle when asking me to pay to replace a faulty product. I understand crap happens, especially when they're in their first year of production. It's how a company responds to the failures that make the difference between a great company and a company that doesn't care and just wants more of you money. If some of you are ok with giving your money away, I can send you my paypal and you send that extra money my way.
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Well at least you didn't pay, but time and convenience should be included. Just my opinion. Good luck pal.
I hope in the end it all works out for you.
To the OP:

I think you'd be perfectly happy with a 2012, though finding an LTZ RS '12 in your color choice could be tough at this point. If I'm reading this correctly, GM is basically offering to "make you whole" (or **** near close) with the same payment on brand new car. The 2013 LTZ RS has more features than a 2011. It is worth more, period. You're basically asking to be comp'd for all of the vehicle depreciation on a 30,000K car. I appreciate you've had a lot of trouble, but I do think that is asking more than what is justified. You were inconvenienced, yes, but I sounds like the dealer did try reasonable hard to take care of you. It sounds to me like GM is trying to be reasonable with you.

I know what it is like to get a bum car from GM. I had 2007 Saturn Vue Hybrid that spent more time in the shop than I can remember. Several previous GM cars were very reliable for me. My lesson was *never* get a first model year of anything, ever again. I wanted to give GM another chance, so I worked with the Saturn customer service folks who got me enough extra off on my Cruze to compensate me for the out-of-warranty repairs my Vue needed, and the dealer gave me a very fair trade value on it (same dealer who serviced the Vue, and knew all the trouble it had).

FWIW, my Cruze has almost 5K miles on it in 3 months and other than someone hitting my rear bumper while parked (already fixed), it has been trouble free.
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OP:

I am just going to tell you what everyone else is telling you.

If you decided to get a different car, other than the Cruze...think about it, you would be upside down in the loan. However, GM gave you 4k in assistance, and dealer is paying off the car. You ate about $5,000 in money, but in the end of the day, you would have eaten MORE if 1) GM didn't want to help you 2) got a different car.

So weighing in your options of either keeping a lemon, or paying $50 more a month (which you easily spend in dinner and a movie), taking your loss and getting a brand new Cruze with MORE features. You are winning, GM didn't have to get involved, they could have said **** this guy, who is he with some many satisfied customers. So give them another try, you will love the new Cruze. All the quirks are fixed.
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What people don't understand about depreciation is that it IS linear. The first year hit is all dealer profit costs.
Lmao. No.

Completely wrong on both accounts.

If I didn't have all the issues I've had and was just trading the car in, then yes I could see why someone should be happy with getting out of a loan owing nothing.
So if you didn't have the issues you could see why the extra $4500 GM is throwing at you was a legitimate offer? LOL

GM is standing by their product, to the tune of almost $5k. Seems the dealer is stepping up with their trade offer also. You have an asset that's worth 15.5K on it's best day and you're being offered 20K for it to make up for your troubles. What you owe is irrelevant, that was your mistake.

Sorry for telling you like it is, but that's reality.
I have PM'd Stacy, the GM service rep for this forum, twice with no response. To me, that says they don't care. I'll give my hard earned money to a different car company as soon as I get out of this piece of junk.

You can count me as another Loyal customer lost as well.

Good luck with your case.
Give her a about 4-5 days as that seems to be about her average response time.
It seems to me that GM and your dealer recognize you got a lemon and are trying to make it right for you by basically offering to buy it back if you purchase a new Cruze. Even though it may cost you $40-50 more than your current car payment, this is more than a fair deal. The 2012s and, I hope, the 2013s are far more reliable than the 2011s. For 2011 it was an entirely new assembly line for both GM and their parts suppliers. I understand the frustration of feeling like you've been paying for garbage for the last two years, but sometimes you need to realize that issues happen. I dumped my first Fiero and my Lancer for just this reason.
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Here's an off the wall opinion for those who think I should just deal with it, your completely fine with paying for a product that fails and eating the cost to replace it?
How are you eating any cost? GM is paying off your car. Period. You are back at 0. Granted you had to go through frustration with your car, but you still got 30k miles of use out of it. IMO you're lucky GM didn't offer trade in value and call it a day.

At some point you're going to have to realize that anything over the actual market value of your car is GM genuinely trying to make things right.
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