CNN Says Recall for Engine Shields and Inspect Welds in Rear compartment

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The Wolf Wagon

Discussion Starter · Jun 22, 2012

We all known about the "oil spill" fires. They will be modifing our engine shields. What I didn't know is that some cars may have "incomplete" welds in the rear compartments. Anybody heard of that before?

Recall letters will start going out from GM in July.

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rubiconjp

· #2 · Jun 22, 2012

GM recalling over 400,000 Chevy Cruzes - Jun. 22, 2012

obermd

· #3 · Jun 22, 2012

Actually, 3 weeks is pretty quick. Consider that GM needs to get the information and any required parts to their dealerships before the first owner calls in for the recall. I have seen up to six months from the time the recall was announced to the time the first notices were mailed.

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XtremeRevolution

· #4 · Jun 22, 2012

obermd said:
Actually, 3 weeks is pretty quick. Consider that GM needs to get the information and any required parts to their dealerships before the first owner calls in for the recall. I have seen up to six months from the time the recall was announced to the time the first notices were mailed.

In my conversations with Tom, I've discovered these things have to go through a ridiculous number of approvals in several departments. It's not exactly a one signature deal.

jfischer

· #5 · Jun 22, 2012

obermd said:
Actually, 3 weeks is pretty quick. Consider that GM needs to get the information and any required parts to their dealerships before the first owner calls in for the recall. I have seen up to six months from the time the recall was announced to the time the first notices were mailed.

What parts? From what I read they're just going to drill holes in the existing plastic shield to let oil drain out from sloppy oil changes. Not even gonna bother taking mine in for this unless there's some other reason to bring it in - then I'll have it done.

obermd

· #6 · Jun 22, 2012

jfischer said:
What parts? From what I read they're just going to drill holes in the existing plastic shield to let oil drain out from sloppy oil changes. Not even gonna bother taking mine in for this unless there's some other reason to bring it in - then I'll have it done.

Since I don't know exactly what the change is, I can't say if parts will be required or not. In any event GM must provide instructions to their dealerships.

jfischer

· #7 · Jun 22, 2012

obermd said:
Since I don't know exactly what the change is, I can't say if parts will be required or not. In any event GM must provide instructions to their dealerships.

According to the article on CNN,

GM dealers will modify the engine shield by cutting away parts of it, creating holes that will allow fluids to drip through. The modification process that will take about 30 minutes.

No new parts required, just hacking some holes in the exiting shield to let sloppy oil change residue drain out. I change my own oil so this is not an issue for me at this time

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NBrehm

· #8 · Jun 22, 2012

I still love how the car gets recalled for the work of crappy technicians. I get the risk but if you don;t suck at your job there should not be an issue. spill oil, you clean it up.

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OnlyTaurus

· #9 · Jun 22, 2012

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^Did the modification to mine today. It's nothing but hacking away the panel section that sits directly under the oil pan, filter, more room for the drain plug, and the vent on the transmission. No holes required. GM doesn't want to risk ANY fluid left behind to ignite after the previous Cruze fires.

As for the Rear compartment recall, very few Cruzes are applied to this one I believe (compared to 420,000 for the shield that is). The brackets for the fuel tank should be spot welded, if they are MIG welded, you need to go in for repair. I don't have a picture of this one, so I can't show where.

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XtremeRevolution

· #10 · Jun 22, 2012

OnlyTaurus said:
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^Did the modification to mine today. It's nothing but hacking away the panel section that sits directly under the oil pan, filter, more room for the drain plug, and the vent on the transmission. No holes required. GM doesn't want to risk ANY fluid left behind to ignite after the previous Cruze fires.

As for the Rear compartment recall, very few Cruzes are applied to this one I believe (compared to 420,000 for the shield that is). The brackets for the fuel tank should be spot welded, if they are MIG welded, you need to go in for repair. I don't have a picture of this one, so I can't show where.

It's really hard to tell from that picture exactly how much material is hacked away.

rbtec

· #11 · Jun 22, 2012

OnlyTaurus said:
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^Did the modification to mine today. It's nothing but hacking away the panel section that sits directly under the oil pan, filter, more room for the drain plug, and the vent on the transmission. No holes required. GM doesn't want to risk ANY fluid left behind to ignite after the previous Cruze fires.

As for the Rear compartment recall, very few Cruzes are applied to this one I believe (compared to 420,000 for the shield that is). The brackets for the fuel tank should be spot welded, if they are MIG welded, you need to go in for repair. I don't have a picture of this one, so I can't show where.

Doesn't this leave a gaping hole to allow water/salt etc into the engine compartment to create damage?

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Subic

· #12 · Jun 22, 2012

70AARCUDA said:
Lawyer to Physician client about terminally-ill patient: "...just wait long enough and your law suit will resolve itself..." (for those wise enough to "read-between-lines")

The stealerships didn't have ANY information or parts when we received our two Recall notices for our 2009 Pontiac Vibe; had to wait three weeks before we could even 'schedule' an appointment to have the car inspected to even determine if it was affected (it was) or not! Granted this was (a) after GM had thrown Pontiac out-the-door and (b) GM was still crawling out of bankruptcy, but remember GM boldly declared that they were honoring *all* Warranty obligations. Where did GM think they should *send* those Recall instructions & parts to with all their Pontiac stealerships "shuttered & closed"? Can you say: poor (or none?) forward thinking?

It is not my wish to argue with you.
I usually agree with your words but I have to disagree with your sentence
"GM had thrown Pontiac out the door"
I am of the opinion that Pontiac cut their own throat.
Pontiac made many generations of Bonneville. Those that traded their Bonnie every two to four years all of a sudden are told "No more Bonnie's it's now a G8." I would really like to know the sales number difference between the last four years on Bonnie's and the first years of G8.
Like if Chevy all of a sudden says "No more Impala's its now a F6. A stupid move that would loose customers.
Just my opinion.

sciphi

· #13 · Jun 22, 2012

So they hack away half the panel. Great. Just what I need, half the protection missing. I was looking forward to an engine and transmission not molested by salt when it comes time to do the clutch.

If that underbody panel had any fuel economy effect, it could affect the Cruze's fuel economy for the worse. I got this car for the fuel economy, so anything that messes with it is bad in my book.

Here's a picture of the unmolested underbody panel:

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OnlyTaurus

· #14 · Jun 22, 2012

Nice pic Sciphi.. I was meaning to get a pic before I started hacking but it was too late lol.

Guys, understand you DON'T have to get this done, you can simply deny the service, and it will eventually get done when you trade/sell the car. If you change your own oil, don't bother with this! If you don't trust your dealer who does your changes, maybe consider it. In the end regardless, its YOUR call.

OnlyTaurus

· #15 · Jun 22, 2012

Xtreme, take Sciphis pic, and keep about 8 inches from each side. Thats it.

NBrehm

· #16 · Jun 22, 2012

70AARCUDA said:
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...I would've used the analogy: GM shot their Chevy and Pontiac FEET when they decided to eliminate RWD vehicles, which included the Impalas, Bonnevilles, etc.

WOW, you gotta go way back to find any of them in RWD....also they have been adding more RWD platforms to the fray in recent years

UlyssesSG

· #17 · Jun 23, 2012

Subic said:
It is not my wish to argue with you.
I usually agree with your words but I have to disagree with your sentence
"GM had thrown Pontiac out the door"
I am of the opinion that Pontiac cut their own throat.
Pontiac made many generations of Bonneville. Those that traded their Bonnie every two to four years all of a sudden are told "No more Bonnie's it's now a G8." I would really like to know the sales number difference between the last four years on Bonnie's and the first years of G8.
Like if Chevy all of a sudden says "No more Impala's its now a F6. A stupid move that would loose customers.
Just my opinion.

I agree wholeheartedly about the Bonneville to G8 injustice ( who in their right mind would throw out a storied name and model for a meaningless alphanumeric misnomer? ), but then I ask, "and who signed-off on what the Pontiac division could do?" The answer ultimately is GM.

NBrehm

· #18 · Jun 23, 2012

Name aside, the G8 is, IMO, a much better car than the Bonnie

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UpstateNYBill

· #19 · Jun 23, 2012

Subic said:
Pontiac made many generations of Bonneville. Those that traded their Bonnie every two to four years all of a sudden are told "No more Bonnie's it's now a G8." I would really like to know the sales number difference between the last four years on Bonnie's and the first years of G8.
Like if Chevy all of a sudden says "No more Impala's its now a F6. A stupid move that would loose customers.
Just my opinion.

Reminds me of Ford when they changed the name of the Ford Taurus to Ford 500. Sales tanked, so they went back to calling it a Taurus.

sciphi said:
So they hack away half the panel. Great. Just what I need, half the protection missing. I was looking forward to an engine and transmission not molested by salt when it comes time to do the clutch.

If that underbody panel had any fuel economy effect, it could affect the Cruze's fuel economy for the worse. I got this car for the fuel economy, so anything that messes with it is bad in my book.

Here's a picture of the unmolested underbody panel:

Maybe order one up from gmpartsdirect now while they're still available, in case something happens to the one you've got.

cwerdna

· #20 · Jun 23, 2012

NHTSA recall documents

I don't know if this has been posted yet (due to the multiple threads) but Recalls Documents | Safercar.gov | NHTSA and Recalls Documents | Safercar.gov | NHTSA have documents related to the recall, but not the procedure.

Usually a document search on NHTSA's site includes the procedures, at least it has for Nissans. Maybe that will be coming later.

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