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Does anyone know if there is a wire harness in the eco models that doesn't have the fogs on from factory as an option?. Meaning if you order or buy a cruze without the fogs, will there be a wire harness in the bumper ready for you to add fogs? And all you would have to do is plug em in, and install your switch in the dash.
 

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**** that's gonna suck. I was thinking about installing Mercedes-Benz style LED fog strips. I know these would look cool, but installing them is half the battle lol
 

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Couple of post on this subject in the how to section.

http://www.cruzetalk.com/forum/57-h...fog-lights-without-removing-front-bumper.html

http://www.cruzetalk.com/forum/57-h...ruze-fog-light-install-warning-lots-pics.html

Wouldn't be quite so long if all the posts were relevant.

Dealer charges around 320 bucks to install the kit, 235 if you install it yourself, but if your Cruze is not programmed for fog lamps, doing it yourself would cost you another hundred bucks to get it programmed.

Average price on ebay is around 170 bucks, spotted one dealer selling at auction, got the OE kit for 130 bucks. And already checked my Cruze to make sure it was programmed. It was.

Appreciated that post on not having to remove the bumper, tend to blindly follow the instructions, a lot of unnecessary work. But having a right angle drive, magnetized bit, took me just seconds for that operation.

Wish they did have a pigtail lead out of the relay box, would make life easy for all. First was finding pin 31, on mine, that little square hole was covered with flashing, had to clean that out before I could plug in that tiny pin. And you only get one in that kit.

Did want to stick to OE, improves the value of the car rather than depreciate it. Did take the old headlamp switch apart, only thing missing from it was the contact block and the fog lamp symbol.

Ironically, the fog lamps only work with the engine running, but so do the back up lamps. I won't even begin to figure out this logic.

Wife asked, why was I even going through this, but afterwards, she positively loves them, should come stock for about twenty bucks extra. Leave that block in the headlamp switch, about three cents, combine the wires in the head lamp harness, 20 AWG wire, about 50 cents. Stock only one bezel instead of two, a cost savings for them, and a couple of cheap light bulbs with plastic reflectors.

Hey I have been doing this stuff for 50 years, know what this stuff costs!
 

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Okay cool. Thanks for the long response Nick. I did see the OEM fog kit on ebay for 175.00 like you mentioned. I just figured that GM would have put the wire harness in there at the ready in case someone would want to add fogs later down the road. Its not a huge deal for me, but I think it would look insanely cool. Its something id like to do, just not too worried about doing it if I have to splice the foglight harness in with the rest of the wiring harness. I can do it really good don't get me wrong....I just hate adding wires in lol
 

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Harness is included with the kit as are cable ties. Ha, hated to use a 12" cable tie when I only needed a 3" one, so used my own saving the longer ones where required. Certainly plenty of sharp edges, avoid those unless you are working on an F-16.
 

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Oh so it does come with the kit...okay...I thought I had to run my own wiring doing it homemade by getting a spool of wire the same gauge as the factory wires. Ok nvm I was thinking totally different hahaha
 

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Yeah, even those black phillips head screws were included, so I have the light switch, seven cable ties, and two bezels left over. See some guys trying to sell these on ebay in case anyone wants to convert back to stock. Old bezels has to be twisted out, so not good to try this on a -30*F day.
 

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I just bought the kit from GM and had the dealership install them. $225.00 for the kit & $100.00 install. Kept my life simple.
 
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Personally for the amount of aggravation and bs it saved me I'm quite satisfied with the price.
 

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True lol. I probably wouldn't have quite the patience either for something like this...
 

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I still do a lot of stuff on my car myself. However I find as I get older I get lazier and lazier and rely on the dealership more often.

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This to the best of my knowledge concerns "dealer installed items", seems to come and go. At one time was dealer installed AC systems where they have to take half the car apart to do that and have a pile of parts left over with nothing to do with them but pitch them.

How about dealer installed floor mats? Four year old granddaughter can do that. Splash shields are just a bit more complicated. Just another marketing scam so the dealers can make more money and far more efficient to install these items at the factory. Can't even order fog lamps from the factory and won't have left over parts.

Ha, in dealing with the stuff, the cost of the packaging and individual shipping price cost more than what is in the box! But is nothing compared to the handling charge. That box has to be designed by specialists so what's inside won't get wrecked, ordered and stocked. Has to be packed manually by trained personnel that can count to make sure all the parts are in there. Returns are really expensive, accounting has to be involved.

You already paid to have that front end installed, but have to pay much higher rates for a guy of questionable experience to take all that stuff apart and put it together again, and then, is he putting all those screws back and push pin retainers. Was just at my dealers yesterday, they were out of these push pin retainers. And if not done carefully will break them off.

Then the differences in labor cost, direct labor, indirect labor, and overhead cost. In a dealership, a small operation that cost can be anywhere from 3 to 10 times the cost of factory labor. And the labor time is much longer with a mechanic trying to find the right tool. All laid out in production, all computer controlled.

Would certainly be far more economical if you could order your fog lamps with your Cruze, In regards to doing it yourself, if you have a 2013 model still have to lay out another 100 bucks to have your ram reflashed, another dirty trick. And if you it yourself, will be accepting the liability for the change.

But they do this so the dealer can make a couple of extra bucks. Rest of us get screwed royally in the process.

Reason why I went back to my dealer for two push pin retainers, on the last job, they left them out. Not their most popular customer.
 

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This to the best of my knowledge concerns "dealer installed items", seems to come and go. At one time was dealer installed AC systems where they have to take half the car apart to do that and have a pile of parts left over with nothing to do with them but pitch them.

How about dealer installed floor mats? Four year old granddaughter can do that. Splash shields are just a bit more complicated. Just another marketing scam so the dealers can make more money and far more efficient to install these items at the factory. Can't even order fog lamps from the factory and won't have left over parts.

Ha, in dealing with the stuff, the cost of the packaging and individual shipping price cost more than what is in the box! But is nothing compared to the handling charge. That box has to be designed by specialists so what's inside won't get wrecked, ordered and stocked. Has to be packed manually by trained personnel that can count to make sure all the parts are in there. Returns are really expensive, accounting has to be involved.

You already paid to have that front end installed, but have to pay much higher rates for a guy of questionable experience to take all that stuff apart and put it together again, and then, is he putting all those screws back and push pin retainers. Was just at my dealers yesterday, they were out of these push pin retainers. And if not done carefully will break them off.

Then the differences in labor cost, direct labor, indirect labor, and overhead cost. In a dealership, a small operation that cost can be anywhere from 3 to 10 times the cost of factory labor. And the labor time is much longer with a mechanic trying to find the right tool. All laid out in production, all computer controlled.

Would certainly be far more economical if you could order your fog lamps with your Cruze, In regards to doing it yourself, if you have a 2013 model still have to lay out another 100 bucks to have your ram reflashed, another dirty trick. And if you it yourself, will be accepting the liability for the change.

But they do this so the dealer can make a couple of extra bucks. Rest of us get screwed royally in the process.

Reason why I went back to my dealer for two push pin retainers, on the last job, they left them out. Not their most popular customer.
I agree with everything you just said here nick. That's totally right. Dealerships take advantage of people on parts, labor, and service. Its quite ridiculous if you ask me.

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