[titan2782]

So after talking to vince yesterday, I started thinking hard using all the knowledge I have about automotive. I wondered if all the timing was being pulled because of the higher altitude and my spark gap. I've known drag racers with cobras who have had to run really low gaps to not only prevent blow out, but also to keep temps down and make more power. Seems backwards, but I went ahead and re gapped my plugs to 0.022. Stock was 0.025 across the board and I gapped them to 0.028 last week.

My plugs were starting to turn white (too hot) so I'm really glad I reduced the gap. When at 0.025/0.028 I would get on the throttle and around 3k it felt like timing was being cut. Now I don't feel that. At 0.022 I no longer feel that and my logs show that it isn't pulling so much timing now. I think I'll stay with 0.022.Additionally, I wanted to determine if the resonator delete really helped lower IAT's.

There was a big debate on XR's thread and I never saw anyone show any proof (although I'm sure someone has done so). So I went ahead and did it anyway.

(Green = AAT, Red = IAT)

No delete (2nd run)
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With delete (1st run)
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Looks like a 5 degree drop. That's significant IMO.As you can see the AAT's were higher when I did the first run. This is because I had been driving around. I went home, put a box fan on the engine bay while I inserted the ducting. I did however, drive the same route and drove the same way shifting at 5k in 3rd gear. I went East and then West.

I don't really see a point in spending $250 on a CAI since it's just pulling from the same place and isnt sealed up. Going to cut a 3" hole in the bottom of the air box like one of the other user's did. These are my finsings. I'm pretty satisfied with my changes.

I hope this encourages you guys to do you own testing now that we can see our logs.

 

[XtremeRevolution]

I checked my plugs today actually. I had them at .035 and went to .030 just to see what would happen. Engine actually runs a tad bit rougher, but regardlesss. When they came out, the electrode was medium-light gray on all of them, indicating a normal condition. No signs of overheating, and I have just over 15k on them.

I wonder if those with the tune are showing hotter temps due to the tune itself and if this doesn't apply to stock motors.

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[OnlyTaurus]

So.. what are we looking at here? Your IAT's, are they spiking because you're shifting? Or...

 

[titan2782]

Its spiking because its the top of 3rd at WOT. I think the iat sensor is right before the throttle body so its temps after the intercooler.

 

[sciphi]

IAT after the intercooler is the only logical place for it.

I'll have to regap my plugs and do some before/after logs to see if this will help even on the eco mode.

 

[Hoon]

Do you have airflow logs before and after the bypass?

If so please post them.

 

[titan2782]

Do you have airflow logs before and after the bypass?

If so please post them.

Without delete
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With delete
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Basically the same airflow. The Mass Air Flow Frequency is pretty much the same too.

 

[Hoon]

Thanks, looks like the peak was a negligible amount higher without the resonator but nothing conclusive.

 

[titan2782]

Thanks, looks like the peak was a negligible amount higher without the resonator but nothing conclusive.

Air flow will be the same no matter what. The difference is how hard to turbo has to work to suck the air in and the temps. With the res deleted it gets cooler temps and doesn't have to work as hard. Now, the work load with vs without is probably also negligible but when I put it back in, I noticed there was more lag in the throttle response. So IMO it's very much worth it. It's free and easy to do with tangible benefits.

 

[Hoon]

Air flow will be the same no matter what.

You can increase flow at the same boost level by removing restriction.

 

[XtremeRevolution]

From what I've heard, the MAF also reads temp. What's the temp difference between the resonator stock and the resonator bypassed? If the pre-turbo temps are lower, not only will the turbo have to work less hard (thus creating less heat), but heat soak in the summer should also be alleviated to some degree.

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[titan2782]

You can increase flow at the same boost level by removing restriction.

According to other members, our ducting isn't that restrictive. Except for the filter, there isn't anything in the way to restrict air flow. I'm ordering an AEM dry panel filter so I'll see what the flow is after the install.

 

[XtremeRevolution]

According to other members, our ducting isn't that restrictive. Except for the filter, there isn't anything in the way to restrict air flow. I'm ordering an AEM dry panel filter so I'll see what the flow is after the install.

Whoever says our ducting isn't restrictive needs to actually try the resonator bypass. The very significant improvement in throttle response is obvious. If you remove the ducts and see for yourself, you'll see how bad it is. If it was one straight tube, perhaps it might not be that bad, but it constantly changes shape and direction. That's beside the fact that it's well over 3 feet long. It's restrictive.