Emissions delete/race tune install

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starspangled6.0

Discussion Starter · Feb 8, 2017

So my Cruze TD has about 55,000 miles on it now, and has been mildly trouble-free. I've had several emissions-related trouble codes, as well as the annoying "Poor Quality DEF" light come on multiple times. Being somewhat technical minded, and after perusing several delete threads, I've decided to give it a go, with the intentions of paying now to save later. I plan on keeping this car for at least another 5 years, well past the warranty, and would like to knock out the very expensive emissions system that has the potential to be a ticking time bomb. Also, I am not a big fan of other people telling me what I can\cannot put on my car, so doing this feeds my Libertarian leanings

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I've had the car for almost a year, but lost my mileage records in August, and had to start over again. Since then, my average MPH has been 39 MPH.
So far, the car is averaging 38 MPG in a mix of winter and summer blend diesel, lots of city driving (lowest MPG for a tank is 26, highest was 53), and a few long trips mixed in. I run AMSOIL for the motor oil, and will be switching the transmission fluid out to AMSOIL soon, too.

Total cost with the military discount on the Oz Tuner\new down pipe was $1227.60. I decided against the EGR block kit, since they shut the EGR off in the tune. As often and as best I can, I will update this thread with new results.

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sailurman

· #2 · Feb 9, 2017

So, you do not care about other's health? That is what you are saying? Because Libertarians do not care about the environment??
Anybody you care about have severe allergies or ASTHMA? Because if you do, you are literally jamming your arm down their throat and squeezing their lungs. But hey, if you want to spend $1227.60 to help make others suffer, that's on you. I just hope they enact Diesel emission inspections. Have a nice life.

KpaxFAQ

· #3 · Feb 9, 2017 (Edited)

Great, I'll be doing the same thing when the weather breaks. Keep us posted!

Aranarth

· #4 · Feb 9, 2017

Hi Sailurman:
He may actually be doing you a favor!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diesel_particulate_filter

[h=2]Health Considerations[/h]The additional cost burden of DPF filters is primarily passed to consumers with possibly the only benefit being quieter trucks. Any reduction in overall soot by mass, aka diesel particulate matter (DPM), may be negated by the mostly-ignored fact that DPM from DPFs is extremely fine, finer than the DPM that is released from pre-DPF diesel engines.[SUP][citation needed][/SUP] The finer DPM is estimated to have more surface area and penetrate lung tissue more easily than larger particles. No healthy human studies have been performed at diesel exhaust concentrations normally found in an urban or city environment, eliminating other health contributing factors to disease would be insurmountable in such a study.[SUP][11]

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EricSmit

· #5 · Feb 9, 2017

You go girl. hahahaha.

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starspangled6.0

Discussion Starter · #6 · Feb 9, 2017

sailurman said:
So, you do not care about other's health? That is what you are saying? Because Libertarians do not care about the environment??
Anybody you care about have severe allergies or ASTHMA? Because if you do, you are literally jamming your arm down their throat and squeezing their lungs. But hey, if you want to spend $1227.60 to help make others suffer, that's on you. I just hope they enact Diesel emission inspections. Have a nice life.

False equivalencies and strawman arguments won't suffice here. I don't mind if you disagree with my decision-in fact, I welcome opposition and corrections- but you'll have to do better than that. If you truly believed what you just wrote, I think you'd be far better off protesting at truck stops and diesel truck pulls. My puny 2.0L diesel will have zero effect upon your health, or anyone else's for that matter.

With regards to the build, I want to be as upfront and honest as possible. Politics aside, I feel that practically and mechanically speaking, this is the lesser of two evils for this engine. Given that I want to keep it in the family for many years, I believe that installing these race parts will better serve that purpose, cost the least, and also put a bigger smile on my face when I mash the skinny pedal. If diesel ever goes back to $4 and $5\gallon, it will definitely help pay for itself, but I doubt that it ever will. This is more about a) fixing issues from the factory\EPA, and b) my propensity to modify and customize, especially where I see heavy-handed interference into my personal possessions.

Update: Fleece is a bit iffy on the customer service side. I'm not one to complain, but for $1200, you'd think they would take care of customers better, especially given that we're supporting their skirting the edges of the law. They won't provide instructions on how to do the install, and they never did send any kind of tracking number or shipment notification. However, I did receive the package today, after ordering it 2 days ago. They also knocked off 10% for my wearing the US flag on my shoulder.

All that comes in the package is the EFI Live tuner, 2 cables for the tuner, the hand-built down pipe, and a set of instructions for the tuner that seem to be have been written by a 2nd grader. Again, not to pick a bone with Fleece off the bat, but numerous grammar errors, plus a down pipe that already needs a re-coat of paint... we'll see how the finished product is. The welds on the pipe and bungs aren't exactly 5 out of 5 stars, either, but all I need is for the tune to be spot-on, and for the pipe to fit and not leak.

Going to try to install this weekend or next weekend.

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KpaxFAQ

· #7 · Feb 9, 2017

Just ignore the troll and keep the thread on point. Even acknowledging the post is like voluntarily banging your head on the wall.

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KpaxFAQ

· #8 · Feb 9, 2017

With the downpipe do you basically just remove the DPF, install the downpipe in its place and leave all the sensors on the rest of the pipe in place even though they're dead?

starspangled6.0

Discussion Starter · #9 · Feb 9, 2017

I believe so. I'm guessing the engine will still need some of the oxygen sensor(s) to adjust the air\fuel ratio, but other than that, I don't know what else will be vital to keep it running without a CEL. There are 4 bungs on the Fleece pipe.

KpaxFAQ

· #10 · Feb 9, 2017

starspangled6.0 said:
I believe so. I'm guessing the engine will still need some of the oxygen sensor(s) to adjust the air\fuel ratio, but other than that, I don't know what else will be vital to keep it running without a CEL. There are 4 bungs on the Fleece pipe.

Ok, just curious because I figured there would be some kind of basic instructions related to that. I guess not. I'm ok to work on cars but I'm not a diesel expert or tuner guy so it's all new to me.

starspangled6.0

Discussion Starter · #11 · Feb 9, 2017

I'm also on the learning curve here with regards to this install. I'll be doing it with either a professional welder friend, or a different friend who's got a 650 HP Mustang he built himself. I'm not too worried, but instructions would have been great to have. However, having tuned and worked on a few Duramax motors back in the day, it shouldn't be too far out in left field for me.

KpaxFAQ

· #12 · Feb 10, 2017

starspangled6.0 said:
I'm also on the learning curve here with regards to this install. I'll be doing it with either a professional welder friend, or a different friend who's got a 650 HP Mustang he built himself. I'm not too worried, but instructions would have been great to have. However, having tuned and worked on a few Duramax motors back in the day, it shouldn't be too far out in left field for me.

Great, Keep us posted!

justin13703

· #13 · Feb 10, 2017 (Edited)

I'm glad to see another diesel going the deleted route. I'll be following this thread. Do you plan on taking any videos after the install is done?

Cruze2.0TD

· #14 · Feb 10, 2017

So a couple of questions for you

.....what's the difference between the [h=1]EFILive AutoCal with Custom ECM Tuning and the EFILive AutoCal with Special Edition Custom ECM Tuning. Do you need the special edition one if you do the downpipe and to get the EGR delete whereas the other one is for stock cars?[/h]
Next question, do you know if it also deactivates the DEF system as part of the tune?

Last question, and I might've just missed reading this, but just curious if your car is still under warranty?

Cruze2.0TD

· #15 · Feb 10, 2017

Btw, I'm using my iPad, so I apologize for the screwed up font.

justin13703

· #16 · Feb 10, 2017

Yes the delete does deactivate the def system.

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justin13703

· #17 · Feb 10, 2017

So does the scr still stay in the exhaust, it is just not used? I believe only the dpf is physically removed, and the scr stays there and basically does nothing after the delete.

If so, I wonder how much of a restriction it will be, and if it would be worth it to have it removed, replaced with a piece of straight exhaust pipe, with flanges welded onto the exhaust system, new pipe, and scr, so that if it was ever necessary the scr could just be bolted on and off.

Just thinking out loud here.

MP81

· #18 · Feb 10, 2017

justin13703 said:
So does the scr still stay in the exhaust, it is just not used? I believe only the dpf is physically removed, and the scr stays there and basically does nothing after the delete.

If so, I wonder how much of a restriction it will be, and if it would be worth it to have it removed, replaced with a piece of straight exhaust pipe, with flanges welded onto the exhaust system, new pipe, and scr, so that if it was ever necessary the scr could just be bolted on and off.

Just thinking out loud here.

You'd certainly remove a ton of weight, especially if you pull the DEF tank as well. I think someone on here did that. Given the DEF weighs 40lbs (just the fluid, not even counting the tank), there's a substantial reduction to be had.

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MRO1791

· #19 · Feb 10, 2017

sailurman said:
So, you do not care about other's health? That is what you are saying? Because Libertarians do not care about the environment??
Anybody you care about have severe allergies or ASTHMA? Because if you do, you are literally jamming your arm down their throat and squeezing their lungs. But hey, if you want to spend $1227.60 to help make others suffer, that's on you. I just hope they enact Diesel emission inspections. Have a nice life.

Navy retired? Well the Navy burns massive amounts of diesel, NO DPFs. In fact I sucked down sickening amounts of diesel exhaust while on Submarines. A tiny number of Diesel cars without DPFs will make no measurable impact on emmisions. Oh, and I did have breathing issues and I'm not in the least concerned about a few deleted diesels.. now the jerks that roll coal and make huge smoke clouds, I fully support maximum punishment for those people.

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justin13703

· #20 · Feb 10, 2017

MRO1791 said:
sailurman said:

So, you do not care about other's health? That is what you are saying? Because Libertarians do not care about the environment??
Anybody you care about have severe allergies or ASTHMA? Because if you do, you are literally jamming your arm down their throat and squeezing their lungs. But hey, if you want to spend $1227.60 to help make others suffer, that's on you. I just hope they enact Diesel emission inspections. Have a nice life.

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Navy retired? Well the Navy burns massive amounts of diesel, NO DPFs. In fact I sucked down sickening amounts of diesel exhaust while on Submarines. A tiny number of Diesel cars without DPFs will make no measurable impact on emmisions. Oh, and I did have breathing issues and I'm not in the least concerned about a few deleted diesels.. now the jerks that roll coal and make huge smoke clouds, I fully support maximum punishment for those people.

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You won't be able to tell this guy anything. He's got this holier-than-thou attitude with anyone who mentions the word "delete" and will try to accuse you of murdering people and baby seals and such with your little deleted 2 liter. People like this won't listen to facts or respect other people's decisions. They think that what they believe is the gospel and they'll just yell louder than you if you try to tell them otherwise.

But I wouldn't even respond to him. It'll get this thread off track. He will respond back with another ignorant comment, and we will just ignore him and keep this thread going in the same direction as if he wasn't here.

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