[pandrad61]

Unfortunately many many cars today don't come with a LSD. i account this to bean counters as well as a market shift. most people now a days want fancy 4g lte and Bluetooth vs a solid car that's a bit simpler but more rewarding to drive. the cruze in all its forms except for diesel don't exactly need a lsd but i do think that there are people out there who would pay an extra bit for a lsd. This electronic LSD by means of brakes and throttle works for a daily mom van driver but for us sport guys its absolutely annoying to one wheel peel. i also believe its a safety issue not having a LSD, this is very true when you live in areas like Florida that always have sand on the road.

who here would have checked a 500$ box for a clutch type LSD or even a torsion lsd? i would pay 500$ for it

 

[pandrad61]

haha yah to some it means other stuff. both are very fun or so ive heard.

 

[pandrad61]

it should come on the diesel and rs packs stock. like you said money man i would have paid a lot for one. i hate how our society as car buyers no longer want manuals and don't care for LSD. Maybe some of us don't want to buy a silverado or a camaro/vett to get a LSD maybe some of us like our cruze or Malibu with a LSD so we can drive in sandy roads, snow, or just have a little more fun

 

[pandrad61]

yes the cruze may not need it but i would have paid for it. even on dry climates a LSD drives much nicer in and more controllable.

borderline unsafe for someone not expecting

yah i disagree 100% a lsd car is easier to control then open diff. unless you are pushing the car in acceleration on bad traction or turning hard the driver wont notice its there and it will help them keep in control silently and without them knowing

 

[pandrad61]

LSD does not snap at you like that, it is tied to the other wheel it will limit slip not a sudden grab (Now a lsd can be tied in with traction control and this helps any snap steer due to driver inability). my point is that it should be offered of more vehicles and pushed more on the sales floor. lets bring back a little more fun into our commuter cars. look at the dodge omni Shelby GLH. yes it was an economy car but it was offered with some fun in it! if the current cruze came with a SS i would have defiantly looked into it.

 

[pandrad61]

let you have a bit of fun with it if the engineers bother (again, Focus ST example).

it boils down to that. with GM having to pay benefits and retirement + Government making us install all these expensive emissions system to the diesel + inflation i agree cars have gone up in price substantially.i would kill for a dodge Shelby omni GLHS. good MPG, easy to park and it smoked big v8s of the time. heck that lil 2.2 turbo 4 makes more whp considerably then the new 1.4 and is way way easier to fix. with today's added complexity of MPG safety and emissions plus consumer demand for champagne cars on beer income the market has inflated

 

[pandrad61]

I'm actually reasonably happy with how the TC works on both of our cars - certainly much better than it was in my 1998 model year car where it was practically useless. The Cruze will let you squeal tires or spin a little bit in snow in first gear before it kicks in. It does cut back, HARD, in 2nd gear on the throttle, though, which has run me out of power on gravel roads. Dropping back to first gear just spins tires in gravel.

The Camry actually seems to have an even better TC system that will allow you some wheelspin, but brakes the spinning tire without cutting power back very much. Climbed it out of a snow-covered parking space it was stuck in pretty good by turning TC back ON last year. With the system off, all it did was spin. With it back on, the front brakes were throwing a fit, but it climbed right out of it with very little drama. Works well going forwards too.

while yes the new TCS is leaps and bounds form the old days its still no replacement for a real LSD.

 

[pandrad61]

I to my knowledge don't believe there is an aftermarket lsd

 

[pandrad61]

Exactly, they are a huge help and add to the driving experience

 

[pandrad61]

i rather rely on a mechanical LSD then fancy computer controlled traction control. traction control may be acting as a lsd but again its ACTING as a lsd and is not one. a true lsd would make the car so much better in the cruze if it didn't have the stupid torque limiting/ manager, heck it would be outright fun with no tq management and a true mechanical lsd

 

[pandrad61]

again it would be an option, cobalt was a economy car and we did a SS version, trailblazer was just a plain jane suv it has a SS version, malibu was a plain jane economy car and it has a SS

 

[pandrad61]

its marketing, if the salesman says " hey you drive in icy conditions?" well then maybe this traction package that adds a lsd might be right for you, its an extra 600$ but when your pushing the car hard or in bad slippery conditions it will help keep you under control. im sure people would buy it, all the nay sayers here are saying no because of price, well a lsd option will not jack the price up 5,000$ here. maybe just maybe 600$ more and again its a option

 

[pandrad61]

How do you figure that a lsd diesel will be in the awd midsize market? not one of those cars gets 46 mpg so the cruze still stands out so for the $ you get a lot and better mpg. the cruze sells a lot of sport cruzes or known as the RS pack, 80% of the gasers are RS that have " Sport suspension" and sporty looks down here in Florida.

i could have afforded the cars you mentioned but i like the cruzes dimensions and not many offer its size thats just right with a diesel

 

[pandrad61]

was an option on the cobalt ss. The malibu ss was a dumb excuse for a ss car, they stuck an impala 3.9 in it and called it good.

The impala ss with the fwd v8 should have had one, as it did nothing but spin the sh!t out of the front tires when you got on the throttle.

defiantly agreed, the malibu was a poor excuse. Cobalt was nice besides the ricer wing and the trail blazer ss was very very nice. Reminds me of the ol jeep grand cherokee 5.9. Fastest suv production for a long time

 

[pandrad61]

tbsss are quite fantastic.

i would get one but a 5.9 jeep zj is about 3,500$ has double floating solid axles 4hi 4 low and 2hi.... Yah ill take the fast off and on road jeep

 

[pandrad61]

actually the dana 44a if it was fixed at the dealer has long service life and is really strong axles when trussed. the vc can still be good at 250k miles if people weekly aired up tires and did 5 tire rotation. zj owners complain about the VC but honestly most of them have 225k miles and it just now failed... with all their abuse they lasted that long is great.

now yes the zj would have been better of with a np231 or a nv 242 but ohh well. i swapped my 249 for a 232 and am way happier. sucks getting parts for the 44a but if it blows just swap in a dana 35 or a ford 8.8 lsd

 

[pandrad61]

Actually, the fastest production for 8 years was the ML55 AMG and then later the Srt8 in 08 and / or the ML63 in 08 and beyond. While quick , the JGC couldn't hold a candle to the MLs. The MLs had ESP which was defeatable entirely, not like the one on the cars which is still not entirely off when deactivated.

before the MB the jeep zj 5.9 was the record holder.