It's not a waste. It would significantly help me get up my hill in winter
Factory LSD
Unfortunately many many cars today don't come with a LSD. i account this to bean counters as well as a market shift. most people now a days want fancy 4g lte and Bluetooth vs a solid car that's a bit simpler but more rewarding to drive. the cruze in all its forms except for diesel don't exactly need a lsd but i do think that there are people out there who would pay an extra bit for a lsd. This electronic LSD by means of brakes and throttle works for a daily mom van driver but for us sport guys its absolutely annoying to one wheel peel. i also believe its a safety issue not having a LSD, this is very true when you live in areas like Florida that always have sand on the road.
who here would have checked a 500$ box for a clutch type LSD or even a torsion lsd? i would pay 500$ for it
who here would have checked a 500$ box for a clutch type LSD or even a torsion lsd? i would pay 500$ for it
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Is there an aftermarket LSD for our cars? Might be worth while to have it swapped. I definitely wouldn't mind it with my diesel, especially once tuned.
I to my knowledge don't believe there is an aftermarket lsd
I agree, should have came with LSD or at least a option. Especially when someone actually does get some really good power out of one of these. When a LSD would do wonders.
Exactly, they are a huge help and add to the driving experience
for a fwd econobox, no
I haven't driven my CTD in snow, but while a LSD would be nice, I have in 3.5 years never been in a situation where the TC wasn't sufficient.
The other day I was travelling at 110kph with cruise control on while it was raining heavily, when I hit a puddle of deepish water on the freeway. The car pulled slightly to the left, nothing problematic, and the cruise switched off. I have never had this happen before so I suppose it was the stability cutting in. All was good when I turned it back on, anybody else have this happen?
The other day I was travelling at 110kph with cruise control on while it was raining heavily, when I hit a puddle of deepish water on the freeway. The car pulled slightly to the left, nothing problematic, and the cruise switched off. I have never had this happen before so I suppose it was the stability cutting in. All was good when I turned it back on, anybody else have this happen?
Not on the Cruze, but my Volvo would cancel the cruise control if one wheel slipped too.I haven't driven my CTD in snow, but while a LSD would be nice, I have in 3.5 years never been in a situation where the TC wasn't sufficient.
The other day I was travelling at 110kph with cruise control on while it was raining heavily, when I hit a puddle of deepish water on the freeway. The car pulled slightly to the left, nothing problematic, and the cruse switched off. I have never had this happen before so I suppose it was the stability cutting in. All was good when I turned it back on, anybody else have this happen?
Cruise control cutting out when stabilitrac or traction control activating is documented in my owner's manual.
Annoying as heck.
Annoying as heck.
I haven't driven my CTD in snow, but while a LSD would be nice, I have in 3.5 years never been in a situation where the TC wasn't sufficient.
The other day I was travelling at 110kph with cruise control on while it was raining heavily, when I hit a puddle of deepish water on the freeway. The car pulled slightly to the left, nothing problematic, and the cruise switched off. I have never had this happen before so I suppose it was the stability cutting in. All was good when I turned it back on, anybody else have this happen?
ironically, funny you mention this @Aussie . I have several AMG s and if you turn TC off ( called ESP), they do not allow cruise control to work. So you basically have to have ESP on ( activated) for cruise control. They work in sync.Cruise control cutting out when stabilitrac or traction control activating is documented in my owner's manual.
Annoying as heck.
Ive found that electronic TC is a very poor substitute for a Quaife differential ( or awd for that matter) the difference in performance is like night and day with a limited slip diff. Electronic TC cuts power too much to be effective on high HP or tq cars like the diesel CTD. Shame it's not an option. With AMG in most cars it was/is a $2000 option and one well worth it.
i rather rely on a mechanical LSD then fancy computer controlled traction control. traction control may be acting as a lsd but again its ACTING as a lsd and is not one. a true lsd would make the car so much better in the cruze if it didn't have the stupid torque limiting/ manager, heck it would be outright fun with no tq management and a true mechanical lsd
But again, this car isn't marketed for the driving experience. It would be silly to add that cost to a car that the average consumer not only doesn't need, but probably would say the car "drives funny" because they don't expect the car to act that way when a tire slips.i rather rely on a mechanical LSD then fancy computer controlled traction control. traction control may be acting as a lsd but again its ACTING as a lsd and is not one. a true lsd would make the car so much better in the cruze if it didn't have the stupid torque limiting/ manager, heck it would be outright fun with no tq management and a true mechanical lsd
again it would be an option, cobalt was a economy car and we did a SS version, trailblazer was just a plain jane suv it has a SS version, malibu was a plain jane economy car and it has a SS
Back in my College days I had a 1973 Olds Cutlass "S" basically the lowest cheapest version. Power steering and nothing else. Bench seat...and it had a factory limited slip differential.
Traction control works by cutting power and applying brakes to the wheel with less traction. VS splitting traction between both wheels. Get one wheel in the air or on ice and all bets are off with it.
I get the arguments from several members that this isn't a performance car and I'm not arguing it is. A LSD of any type does serve a purpose far beyond the drag strip however. It it will make the difference between walking from or driving from difficult traction situations. Driver skill and finesse can only get you so far combine those with Limited slip. Your chances greatly improve. Your long wait for a tow MIGHT be during a severe weather event (making a long wait much longer if one arrives at all)...and MIGHT put you in danger.
Does everyone NEED it? No, does everyone want it? No. If it was yes you would see it as standard equipment. But its a fantastic option...and far more useful than most options are.
Traction control works by cutting power and applying brakes to the wheel with less traction. VS splitting traction between both wheels. Get one wheel in the air or on ice and all bets are off with it.
I get the arguments from several members that this isn't a performance car and I'm not arguing it is. A LSD of any type does serve a purpose far beyond the drag strip however. It it will make the difference between walking from or driving from difficult traction situations. Driver skill and finesse can only get you so far combine those with Limited slip. Your chances greatly improve. Your long wait for a tow MIGHT be during a severe weather event (making a long wait much longer if one arrives at all)...and MIGHT put you in danger.
Does everyone NEED it? No, does everyone want it? No. If it was yes you would see it as standard equipment. But its a fantastic option...and far more useful than most options are.
If it were even offered as an option with any of the existing engines, they'd probably sell about 10 of them because people wouldn't pay the extra price. The rest of them would sit on lots unsold, and then it would go the way of the 2LT 6M and fade into nonexistence.
Give a Cruzen more power, like the Cobalt SS (likely won't happen), sure, it becomes a viable option that really helps it put down power in corners. My high powered FWD constantly lit up the inside tire exiting corners when the turbo spooled.
Give a Cruzen more power, like the Cobalt SS (likely won't happen), sure, it becomes a viable option that really helps it put down power in corners. My high powered FWD constantly lit up the inside tire exiting corners when the turbo spooled.
If it were even offered as an option with any of the existing engines, they'd probably sell about 10 of them because people wouldn't pay the extra price. The rest of them would sit on lots unsold, and then it would go the way of the 2LT 6M and fade into nonexistence.
Give a Cruzen more power, like the Cobalt SS (likely won't happen), sure, it becomes a viable option that really helps it put down power in corners. My high powered FWD constantly lit up the inside tire exiting corners when the turbo spooled.
Actually, the take rate for high performance vehicles is near 100% if it's optional, so to them it's a sine qua non for the vehicle. I'd take it for $500 bucks in a heartbeat, but I do see your argument . I had a Neon ACR with a fwd Torsen and it was phenomenal out of corners.
Ragardless if whether it's stick or auto as you reference above, a LSD is really something that's required on even high tq small displacement diesel cars like the CTD. But I agree, not gonna happen. So essentially, we're left with a one wheel driver
its marketing, if the salesman says " hey you drive in icy conditions?" well then maybe this traction package that adds a lsd might be right for you, its an extra 600$ but when your pushing the car hard or in bad slippery conditions it will help keep you under control. im sure people would buy it, all the nay sayers here are saying no because of price, well a lsd option will not jack the price up 5,000$ here. maybe just maybe 600$ more and again its a option
Yep, but add $500 to the cost of a fully loaded Diesel, and you're well into AWD midsized/crossover territory if you drive in snow/icy conditions, usually with more interior room and power under the hood as well.its marketing, if the salesman says " hey you drive in icy conditions?" well then maybe this traction package that adds a lsd might be right for you, its an extra 600$ but when your pushing the car hard or in bad slippery conditions it will help keep you under control. im sure people would buy it, all the nay sayers here are saying no because of price, well a lsd option will not jack the price up 5,000$ here. maybe just maybe 600$ more and again its a option
The market the Cruze competes in is ENTIRELY about price and bang-for-the-buck in features compared to other cars. Between something like a Ford Fusion SE AWD and a Cruze Diesel with LSD, I'd take the Fusion.
I'm not against LSDs - I just think they should be put in appropriate vehicles. Trucks (the 2WD Colorado/Canyon have a high take-rate where it is offered as an option) and sports cars, for example.
How do you figure that a lsd diesel will be in the awd midsize market? not one of those cars gets 46 mpg so the cruze still stands out so for the $ you get a lot and better mpg. the cruze sells a lot of sport cruzes or known as the RS pack, 80% of the gasers are RS that have " Sport suspension" and sporty looks down here in Florida.
i could have afforded the cars you mentioned but i like the cruzes dimensions and not many offer its size thats just right with a diesel
i could have afforded the cars you mentioned but i like the cruzes dimensions and not many offer its size thats just right with a diesel
You've got a point...if they marketed an SS version of the Cruze, one could possibly expect an LSD. Notice all of those "SS" versions lived relatively short lives with modest, at best, sales numbers (except the Cobalt, which I think I saw more SS Cobalts than regular ones when I lived in Northern VA).again it would be an option, cobalt was a economy car and we did a SS version, trailblazer was just a plain jane suv it has a SS version, malibu was a plain jane economy car and it has a SS
For that matter, was the Cobalt and Malibu SS optioned with LSD?
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