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FIX: Coolant Odors/Coolant Loss From Reservoir

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Many members are experiencing coolant loss over time and venting through the reservoir (surge tank) cap. Symptoms include coolant loss and coolant odors both outside and inside the car.

The reservoir vent channel it this plastic piece on the left side of the cap:



If your cap is venting you will see moisture build-up under this channel and/or white and orange deposits. This post only covers issues surrounding coolant loss through this vent channel.

If you are losing coolant vapor through the vent channel the vapor can get into the car through the HVAC intake. This is supposed to be sealed from the engine compartment, but many cars exhibit a gap in the cowl seal right near the coolant reservoir. When coolant vapor exits the tank it is free to pass into the HVAC intake through this gap. Here's a crude cross section diagram of how this happens:



The foam gasket between the cowl cover and cowl tub doesn't seal properly on many cars, allowing coolant vapor into the car. With the hood open you can check your car by shining a flashlight under the cowl near the tank and looking for light through the open grate in the cowl cover. Credit for this information must go to member BlueSkyMontana, who worked extremely patiently with his dealer's service department to figure this out.

I personally had to replace my reservoir since there was a defect in the throat opening. The rough spot in the throat made it impossible for the o-ring in the cap to seal properly. Here's the throat:



And here's the defect as good as I could capture it:





STEP ONE of curing your coolant venting issues will be to inspect the throat of your reservoir and make sure it is smooth and defect free. No o-ring will seal properly to a rough/damaged surface.

Even after replacing my reservoir and cap I was still getting random coolant odors and some slow coolant loss.

At the 2014 Lordstown meet I showed a few people something I was up to. I installed a thicker o-ring in the surge tank cap that dramatically increased the seal between the cap and tank. With this new o-ring I actually ran my surge tank slightly over-filled (coolant level ~1/8" above the cold fill line) and experienced no signs of venting... my tank vent was bone dry.

The problem seems to be with the lower o-ring in the cap taking a compression set (deforming) over time and allowing coolant vapor to escape. In this picture you can see how the round profile of the o-ring can change over time and offer less sealing capacity:



The o-ring on the right is after being removed from the car, the one on the left is the same o-ring fresh out of the package. To be clear, this is the lower o-ring in the reservoir cap, the one at the top of the photo:



Replacing this o-ring with a thicker version works, but replacing it with one made from a superior material also works. The original o-ring is most likely made from Buna-N, a popular material for o-rings, and measures 23mm Inner Diameter and 4.0mm thick.

This o-ring is also 23mm ID x 4.0mm thick but is made from Viton, a slightly stiffer material that resists taking a compression set. This is the o-ring I'm currently using with great success and I recommend as a first try for anyone with venting issues:


Some people have a reservoir that has an extremely loose cap fit, meaning there is very little compression of the cap o-ring as the cap is screwed into place. Here's a video I shot of a brand new '14 LT in my local dealer's showroom:


If you have a very loose cap fit and the 4.0mm Viton o-ring doesn't fix your cap venting (i.e. you still get traces of moisture under the vent channel), you may wish to try a thicker 4.5mm Buna-N o-ring:


This 4.5mm o-ring may be tight to install, so I recommend wiping a little bit of coolant on it before installing the cap for the first time.

I recommend ordering one of each since the Buna-N part is so cheap. In fact, ordering more than one of each is ideal since the shipping cost is likely to exceed the value of the o-rings, and you'll have a spare in case you somehow damage one getting it installed.

Lots of members, many who don't even know who they are, have allowed their coolant levels to drop to a level where they stabilize. As long as this level is safely above the coolant outlet in the bottom of the surge tank this seems to be working OK. The issue here is the reduced pressure in the cooling system will effectively lower the coolant boiling temperature and risk excessive boiling in the hotter parts of the cylinder head and maybe even the turbocharger. Excessive boiling can lead to poor metal temperature control, allowing hot spots to form and increasing the potential for damaging levels of heat cycling of the metal.

This lowered boiling point will be of even greater concern to anyone living at higher altitudes.

The Cruze cooling system should operate properly fully topped up. A reservoir is properly filled when the car is parked on a level surface, the engine is cold, and the coolant level is at the highest rib on the bottom half of the tank. This rib has an arrow pointing to it, indicating it as the cold fill line:



Thanks to @obermd for this photo.

I would also like to point out that I still had coolant odors under the hood after getting my reservoir and cap figured out. I had to replace the small steam hose that connects the reservoir to the water outlet on the cylinder head. This is covered in more detail in CruzeEcoBlueTopaz's thread here:


I hope this thread helps some people rid their cars of coolant odors. Remember also that the Cruze water pump is a popular source of leaks and is now covered under an extended 10yr warranty.

Good luck, and leave your feedback if you try a new o-ring for your reservoir cap. :)
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That was me. It took less than a minute for the dye to start flowing back into the coolant tank.
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I wonder if there's a high demand on the water outlets due to leaks?

Regarding the revised part number, it's likely if the part number changed then something functional changed with the part. If early parts were failing that could be why. Do you happen to have the two part numbers handy? The current part number listed through Cultrag is 55565334:

55565334 | WATER OUTLET | 2012 Chevrolet Cruze

For $21 it includes the coolant temp sensor, seems to be a decent value.

My part was: [FONT=arial, sans-serif]25193922 if you google image the other part number [/FONT]55565334[FONT=arial, sans-serif] I see a few threads from international message boards that seem to have a similar problem and needing replacement.[/FONT]
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Thanks for this writeup. Hoping this solves my issue. New Cap on left, old cap on right. Note the gasket on the old cap. Nice and deformed. Car only has 54,000 miles on it.

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Thanks for this writeup. Hoping this solves my issue. New Cap on left, old cap on right. Note the gasket on the old cap. Nice and deformed. Car only has 54,000 miles on it.

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Does your new cap click when you put it back on or does it still go on without a click? I like to know if you need a new coolant tank or just a cap to get the click. I would like the click so I know the thing is on there all the way.
There's no click.

Only cap with a click that I know of is the gas cap ???
Does your new cap click when you put it back on or does it still go on without a click? I like to know if you need a new coolant tank or just a cap to get the click. I would like the click so I know the thing is on there all the way.
Just spin it down until it stops spinning. My cap goes through a tight spin and then gets an easy spin before stopping. I, too, like the idea of a click stop cap, but that's unfortunately not what we have in the Cruze.
There's no click.

Only cap with a click that I know of is the gas cap ???
Last time I was at the dealer getting my water pump replaced I checked out a 2014 in the lobby of the dealer and I took the coolant cap off and put it back on and right when it was at the end of putting it back on it clicked and then you could not turn it anymore.
Last time I was at the dealer getting my water pump replaced I checked out a 2014 in the lobby of the dealer and I took the coolant cap off and put it back on and right when it was at the end of putting it back on it clicked and then you could not turn it anymore.
Maybe you broke it. LOL.

Factory cap and new cap both had no click on my 2013. I took the factory cap off a few times before to inspect things.
Last time I was at the dealer getting my water pump replaced I checked out a 2014 in the lobby of the dealer and I took the coolant cap off and put it back on and right when it was at the end of putting it back on it clicked and then you could not turn it anymore.
The surge tank was changed somewhere in 13 my and they have a 'indent' type feel just before the cap stops turning.....I suspect that is the 'click' you are asking about.

Not uncommon to run across running changes as a car/truck is continually updated as the build continues.
If you parked a 2011 next to a 2015 Cruze you would find lots of small physical differences.......and to drive one and then the other, you would notice NVH improvements as well as some driveability changes.
The way the biz is.

Rob
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Actually, the caps on newer cars do click into place. Here's a video I took of a '14 (I think) in a showroom:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5bhRqbVZQE&feature=youtu.be

I believe all caps have the locking feature, but only the newer tanks have a stop high enough to engage the first of the two raised tabs on the cap, giving that click just before seating.
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Obermd & Others-

How long is the BUNA o-ring lasting? I think I'm currently leaking again out of the cap, with no other noticeable coolant losses. I think it's about 9 months on the BUNA ring.

I briefly scanned this post again, and I believe Obermd mentioned that he had to order more rings. Maybe it's a temperature thing. It's -2F today, and when I installed the battery tender jr, on the factory battery I noticed the coolant was low.

I have to dig for where I placed those rings, or order others. I don't have Viton to try, but it appears the BUNA ring may have a short lifetime if your in the Midwest Northern tundra temperatures (<0F).
You didn't mention how low the coolant dropped.

It is normal to see it drop some as temperature falls (contraction) overnight but once up to operating temperature it often is back up to normal level.

Rob
Obermd & Others-

How long is the BUNA o-ring lasting? I think I'm currently leaking again out of the cap, with no other noticeable coolant losses. I think it's about 9 months on the BUNA ring.

I briefly scanned this post again, and I believe Obermd mentioned that he had to order more rings. Maybe it's a temperature thing. It's -2F today, and when I installed the battery tender jr, on the factory battery I noticed the coolant was low.

I have to dig for where I placed those rings, or order others. I don't have Viton to try, but it appears the BUNA ring may have a short lifetime if your in the Midwest Northern tundra temperatures (<0F).
I'm on my second winter with the Buna o-ring. Over the summer I lost maybe a quarter inch of coolant (cold engine) but it drops faster in the winter. This o-ring doesn't seal as well when the tank is cold.
The coolant dropped maybe two ribs based on the markings on the side of the bottle. Final level before filling was level with the top of the lower outlet hose. It took maybe 2-3 cups to fill it back to the molded seal level of the tank.

I the top of the coolant cap above the lower o-ring was wetter than normal. Leading me to believe I'm venting again.

The water pump has had some dry coolant on it over the past year or so, but it would take a mechanic with a lot of patience to actually see it. Since the level stabilized after installing the ring last March I thought the pump was ok. I'm sure there's staining behind the pulley, I can see it with an inspection mirror, but there's not any on the timing cover, or a notable drip, so I think I may have issues asking for replacement.

I'll have to look at it again. I'm a little leery of taking it in for the pump, because I don't want anyone jacking on the oil pan to support the engine.

My 2012 still has the factory splash shield, and no recalls have been completed.

I wish I had a topside engine support and I'd do the water pump myself this spring. Still trying to figure out what to use, vs. a floor jack on the oil pan. I believe this could easily cause an oil leak at the gasket.

Anyway sorry for getting off topic..

It's time to seriously look for the new BUNA rings. I should have put them in the glovebox!
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Carbon, I believe a small amount of venting is normal when it gets really cold out. The reason being, as the temperature drops more and more at night, the coolant contracts more as well, sucking more air in though the cap. When the engine warms up there is now more air in the system compared to when the car sits over night in warmer weather and the pressure rises enough to vent the excess.

I am using the Viton o-ring still and I noticed the same thing last week when it got bitter cold at night; my tank vent had condensation in it. I dried the tank throat, the vent and the underside of the cap, and since temps have been a little more reasonable the past week or so I have yet to see any more signs of venting.

Once the weather warms up a little in your area, try the same (take cap off and dry everything). If there's still venting going on with temps hovering just below freezing you may need a new o-ring. Note also that the VAST majority of people with a cap venting issue have coolant odors that enter the car while driving. If you are not smelling coolant in the car your cap and o-ring are likely doing OK.

If you have slow steady coolant loss over time the water pump is the #1 suspect. As Rob has pointed out before, a small amount of coolant weeping from the pump is considered normal, but shouldn't require frequent coolant top-ups. Maybe once/twice a year at most, down one bar or so. If you are seeing coolant residue behind the pulley it might need changing.
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In the description of the viton ring listed on the oring store page, it says that it is not resistant to glycol based fluids. Does this include coolant? I always thought it was a glycol based fluid, or at least polyethylene glycol. Are those similar chemicals or different?
In the description of the viton ring listed on the oring store page, it says that it is not resistant to glycol based fluids. Does this include coolant? I always thought it was a glycol based fluid, or at least polyethylene glycol. Are those similar chemicals or different?
Very few rubber compounds are resistant to glycol over the long term. The o-rings on the surge cap also have to deal with high temperatures, so my best guess is they do need to be replaced periodically.
In the description of the viton ring listed on the oring store page, it says that it is not resistant to glycol based fluids. Does this include coolant? I always thought it was a glycol based fluid, or at least polyethylene glycol. Are those similar chemicals or different?
Here's a link to the product page:

4mm X 23mm V75 Viton O-ring Black [V4.00X023] : The O-Ring Store LLC, We make getting O-Rings easy!

It states that the Viton o-rings are not compatible with glycol BRAKE fluids.

Here's a link to their fluid compatibility page:

Fluid Compatibility Chart : The O-Ring Store LLC, We make getting O-Rings easy!

If you scroll down the list to Glycols you'll notice that Viton (V) gets a "1" rating, or "Excellent", indicating less than 10% swell.

Also consider that the o-ring isn't really submerged and in constant contact with the coolant, more so with water vapor that condenses at the top of the tank (the actual glycol in the coolant doesn't evaporate much).
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Thanks for this writeup. Hoping this solves my issue. New Cap on left, old cap on right. Note the gasket on the old cap. Nice and deformed. Car only has 54,000 miles on it.

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So far, so good. Coolant smell is not present on my 30 minute commute to work in the mornings for the last 2 weeks. Pretty happy now :)
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So after a couple of weeks of single digit weather in the mornings my coolant level has dropped half a rib. This is about what I expected.
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