Gen 1 Tuning Comparision Thread

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JLL

Discussion Starter · Mar 17, 2021 (Edited)

I have been seeing a lot of questions lately among members about the various tuning options available for the Cruze. I'm creating this thread to aid those who are trying to make the decision of whether or not to tune their Cruze AND if they decide to tune it, which option they want to go with. If you wish to post in this thread, please only post about YOUR OWN experience with a particular tuning service or personal tuning experience.

In your post, please include the following information:

Vehicle Year, Make, Model, Trim
Engine Size with RPO code (if you know it)
Transmission Type (automatic/manual)
Vehicle Modifications (if any)
Name of Tuner/Tuning Software
Review of YOUR OWN experience with the Tuner/Tuning Software
Cost for Tuning
Dyno Sheet (If you have one) OR Screenshot of power numbers

I hope this thread is helpful.

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Thebigzeus

· #61 · May 27, 2021

JLL said:
Do you want me editing your non-vulgar posts without permission?

I guess I should have asked how to do it.

vulgar*

JLL

Discussion Starter · #62 · May 27, 2021

Thebigzeus said:
vulgar*

So I can't spell. But I fixed it.

Muz

· #63 · May 28, 2021

I'm hoping to see some direct comparisons of someone who has had both BNR and ZZP tunes. I'm actually quite tempted to get ZZP tuned just to compare to BNR. Just don't want to fork out for a different tune to find out it's not as good 🤷‍♂️

JLL

Discussion Starter · #64 · May 28, 2021

Muz said:
I'm hoping to see some direct comparisons of someone who has had both BNR and ZZP tunes. I'm actually quite tempted to get ZZP tuned just to compare to BNR. Just don't want to fork out for a different tune to find out it's not as good 🤷‍♂️

That's probably RARE. I don't see many people spending $800+ on tuning.

Muz

· #65 · May 28, 2021

JLL said:
That's probably RARE. I don't see many people spending $800+ on tuning.

Yeah, ZZP results are few and far between. Not sure where all the BNR tuned dyno's are. BNR told me the BNR GTX250 will produce 230-250whp on 93 octane pump gas, with the ZZP turbo making 200WHP on E85. Is this accurate or just pushing their numbers for marketing? I have only seen one dyno recently with the GTX making 177.25 HP other than BNR's dyno's on their website. Comments on that were that it's not accurate 🤷‍♂️

Thebigzeus

· #66 · May 28, 2021

Muz said:
Yeah, ZZP results are few and far between. Not sure where all the BNR tuned dyno's are. BNR told me the BNR GTX250 will produce 230-250whp on 93 octane pump gas, with the ZZP turbo making 200WHP on E85. Is this accurate or just pushing their numbers for marketing? I have only seen one dyno recently with the GTX making 177.25 HP other than BNR's dyno's on their website. Comments on that were that it's not accurate 🤷‍♂️

Are you on the BNR performance closed group facebook? There are some posted there.

Muz

· #67 · May 28, 2021

Thebigzeus said:
Are you on the BNR performance closed group facebook? There are some posted there.

Thanks for the info, I'll be checking them out. Lol, funny though that BNR said to look at non-ZZP owned threads for an accurate comparison, so yeah still unsure of any accuracies and what not...

But yeah been a member there for ages...

JLL

Discussion Starter · #68 · May 28, 2021

Muz said:
Yeah, ZZP results are few and far between. Not sure where all the BNR tuned dyno's are. BNR told me the BNR GTX250 will produce 230-250whp on 93 octane pump gas, with the ZZP turbo making 200WHP on E85. Is this accurate or just pushing their numbers for marketing? I have only seen one dyno recently with the GTX making 177.25 HP other than BNR's dyno's on their website. Comments on that were that it's not accurate 🤷‍♂️

This is from ZZP's website. According to this the car the had on their dyno made 232 HP and 229 FT-LB Torque on E85 (77% Ethanol) with a V3. The Max Boost was on 19.1 PSI according to the bottom. I don't know what all the other mods were though. I see 72# valve springs.

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Thebigzeus

· #69 · May 28, 2021

JLL said:
This is from ZZP's website. According to this the car the had on their dyno made 232 HP and 229 FT-LB Torque on E85 with a V3.

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That’s on E85 of course… Gotta remember that.

JLL

Discussion Starter · #70 · May 28, 2021

Thebigzeus said:
That’s on E85 of course… Gotta remember that.

I know. He commented BNR told him the the V3 would only make 200 HP on E85.

Thebigzeus

· #71 · May 28, 2021

JLL said:
I know. He commented BNR told him the the V3 would only make 200 HP on E85.

Oh, ya that’s incorrect, 200 on pump gas for sure.

Muz

· #72 · May 28, 2021

Yeah I'm not confident on the BNR dyno's. The main reason I want the BWv3 is the increased flow through the turbo/exhaust housing. Doesn't look like I can increase this without having to re-cast the housing/exhaust manifold. Was thinking of getting a tool in there to port it out but it doesn't look possible. Looks like the biggest restriction in the little 1.4T. The exhaust can't keep up at all with the intake flow from what it looks like.
200HP on pump gas looks good to me, just wish there were many dyno results to support all the claims...

JLL

Discussion Starter · #73 · May 28, 2021

Muz said:
Yeah I'm not confident on the BNR dyno's. The main reason I want the BWv3 is the increased flow through the turbo/exhaust housing. Doesn't look like I can increase this without having to re-cast the housing/exhaust manifold. Was thinking of getting a tool in there to port it out but it doesn't look possible. Looks like the biggest restriction in the little 1.4T. The exhaust can't keep up at all with the intake flow from what it looks like.
200HP on pump gas looks good to me, just wish there were many dyno results to support all the claims...

To my knowledge, the increased volumetric efficiency through flow is how ZZP is making those numbers on their in house dyno. However, I do not know what other mods those cars have. I've done enough business with ZZP over the last 18 years that personally I trust their products.. Although, I believe that the point of the dyno I posted was to show that ZZP's V3 is better than their "defective" V2 design.

Muz

· #74 · May 28, 2021

Yep cool, that's what I got from it too...

[email protected]

· #75 · Aug 2, 2021

I said there were no independent sheets showing over 200WHP from the V3, zzp's website does have a sheet showing it, but that same dyno also says a stock 1.4T with the stock tune will make 155WHP. So take that into consideration. I have no problem providing independent dyno sheets, I have several from several different customers across the US. These sheets are the best I can get for anyone as they are from the same dynojet dyno, which is located in Kentucky (BNR is in south Florida and has a dynocom dyno).

That is stock vs. tuned on 93 octane.

Here is after he added a BNR wastegate actuator, still stock turbo, Still 93 Octane.

And here is the same car, same dyno, 93 octane, GTX250 @ 22psi of boost

Here is 25psi of boost, still 93 octane

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cruze991

· #76 · Aug 2, 2021

[email protected] said:
I said there were no independent sheets showing over 200WHP from the V3, zzp's website does have a sheet showing it, but that same dyno also says a stock 1.4T with the stock tune will make 155WHP. So take that into consideration. I have no problem providing independent dyno sheets, I have several from several different customers across the US. These sheets are the best I can get for anyone as they are from the same dynojet dyno, which is located in Kentucky (BNR is in south Florida and has a dynocom dyno).

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That is stock vs. tuned on 93 octane.

Here is after he added a BNR wastegate actuator, still stock turbo, Still 93 Octane.

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And here is the same car, same dyno, 93 octane, GTX250 @ 22psi of boost

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Here is 25psi of boost, still 93 octane

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I have trifecta on a 2012 running E85 with a couple bolt ons and they said I should be at roughly 190-200 whp, shouldn’t It be higher since that dyno shows 187 whp on 93? Stock turbo btw

[email protected]

· #77 · Aug 3, 2021

Posting because it's relevant to what I said. This was JUST posted today.

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[email protected]

· #78 · Aug 3, 2021

Here's another one from facebook from March

ZZP coil
Iridium plugs
AEM CAI
ZZP V3 turbo
Forge Wastegate w/17lb spring
ZZP big intercooler and pipes
42lb injectors
ZZP midpipe
ZZP catback exhaust w/muffler
ZZP Tune 93 octane

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[email protected]

· #79 · Aug 3, 2021

Here's another one from facebook-

"
Well this is pretty much it for zzp v3 maxed out
60lb injectors
E85
Mpfab CAI
Zzp Downpipe
Ported intake
Zzp cam
72 lb valve springs
Zzp wastegate
Racerx front intercooler

A bit disappointed considering they posted 230 hp and tq on their dyno run, not exactly sure what the difference would be from mine "

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Mr_Pat

· #80 · Aug 3, 2021

I found a Dynojet Dyno near me so hopefully I can get a day scheduled to get a dyno run or 2 on mine with the current setup.

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