[JLL]

The posts that [email protected] posted got me thinking. So I checked out ZZP'S website where I found something interesting.....

This is the dyno that ZZP posts:

Take note that all of the other dyno graphs display TQ/HP vs. Engine speed. However, ZZP'S dyno graph displays TQ/HP vs. Vehicle speed (or so I assume.)

Which seems odd to me.

Anyway, I'll see what I think of the V3 once I get it installed when I put my engine back together.

It seems like BNR probably makes a superior product, but personally I couldn't justify the cost.

@Mr_how do you like your new turbo?

 

[MP81]

I mean, as long as it stayed in the same gear (which it did), it doesn't really change, as long as it was adjusted correctly to the gear used.

 

[Mr_Pat]

I love mine .. though I gotta get my catch can together lmao.. I think the oil is pooling around the fitting in the bottom of the intake where the V1 Cruze kit is at and getting pulled in when I let off after a good throttle pull.. I posted on previous page that I had found a Dynojet Dyno near me that I'm going to go try and get some data mainly because I want to know where its at currently

 

[Thebigzeus]

It seems like BNR probably makes a superior product, but personally I couldn't justify the cost.

Yep, I think so too without a doubt. If the cost was like $1200-1300 for the BNR I would be all over it. I'm not a cheap person, but I just can't justify the ROI of $1700+ injectors.

 

[[email protected]]

ZZP's turbo is made in china by a company called dandong-geerin turbocharger, they sell OEM replacement turbochargers for the cruze/sonic on alibaba/aliexpress for $130-$200 depending on QTY. Assume zzp pays MAYBE double that cost for the v3? Either way, BNR is using genuine garret turbos from garret turbocharger at a cost of $500-600 per core, then we have to do the work of machining it and paying for the wheels, etc. It literally wouldn't be worth our time or effort to bother selling these turbos if we sold them for $1200-1300.

There was a 3rd stock turbo upgrade available from Vermont Tuning for a while that was called the Super GT14, and it was like $1000 with a cast compressor wheel, no turbine upgrade, and it was built from used junkyard turbos. It'd be next to impossible to sell a GTX250 using a brand new turbo base for $1200. Now if we did the same as zzp and went to china for cores, then we could sling GTX250s for $1200 or even $1000 all day, just like zzp does. But then we'd be dealing with the same thing they are dealing with right now, my current count of V3s that have destroyed themselves in the last 30 days is currently up to 6. And most of them were not BNR tuned, so it's not our tuning killing them.

 

[MP81]

This product is designed, machined, inspected and assembled in house at ZZPerformance in Wyoming, MI. Castings are made by ZZP China.

I'm going to go ahead and say this is how the V3 is produced, given it is listed on the site. Chinese casting, but ZZP does all the rest of the work, so...

Given the massive quality increase in Chinese housings in recent years, and the fact all the critical processes are done at ZZP, I'd say it's a nonissue.

 

[Thebigzeus]

I'm going to go ahead and say this is how the V3 is produced, given it is listed on the site. Chinese casting, but ZZP does all the rest of the work, so...

Given the massive quality increase in Chinese housings in recent years, and the fact all the critical processes are done at ZZP, I'd say it's a nonissue.

Certainly a possibility, failure ratio of course depends on how many they sell too. If we see 6 failures a month and they sell 1000 turbos, that of course not as bad as 6 a month where they sold 10 turbos.

And Jerry I get your points, you are a business and need to make a profit. Yours are of no doubt higher quality, but to me when I factor the price of the car, and how much I, personally, would spend on upgrades, it exceeds that. Obviously for some it doesn’t, I have the funds, if it were a $30k car I’d invest that in a heartbeat. Based upon what I’ve seen I won’t be buying a ZZP V3 either.

 

[Mr_Pat]

ZZP's turbo is made in china by a company called dandong-geerin turbocharger, they sell OEM replacement turbochargers for the cruze/sonic on alibaba/aliexpress for $130-$200 depending on QTY. Assume zzp pays MAYBE double that cost for the v3? Either way, BNR is using genuine garret turbos from garret turbocharger at a cost of $500-600 per core, then we have to do the work of machining it and paying for the wheels, etc. It literally wouldn't be worth our time or effort to bother selling these turbos if we sold them for $1200-1300.

There was a 3rd stock turbo upgrade available from Vermont Tuning for a while that was called the Super GT14, and it was like $1000 with a cast compressor wheel, no turbine upgrade, and it was built from used junkyard turbos. It'd be next to impossible to sell a GTX250 using a brand new turbo base for $1200. Now if we did the same as zzp and went to china for cores, then we could sling GTX250s for $1200 or even $1000 all day, just like zzp does. But then we'd be dealing with the same thing they are dealing with right now, my current count of V3s that have destroyed themselves in the last 30 days is currently up to 6. And most of them were not BNR tuned, so it's not our tuning killing them.

Any links to these failures your refering to ? I'd like some info.

 

[Thebigzeus]

Any links to these failures your refering to ? I'd like some info.

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[JLL]

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[Blasirl]

Right now I don’t have much time but in the future sue.

Have any time to do this yet?

 

[Blasirl]

I found a Dynojet Dyno near me so hopefully I can get a day scheduled to get a dyno run or 2 on mine with the current setup.

And the verdict is???

 

[JLL]

And the verdict is???

@Mr_Pat 's Cruze is DOA right now until he can resuscitate it.

Dohht Cruze can't Swim.....

Soooooo yeah Wednesday was a bad day.... On my way to work dodging flooded areas which equated to an hour and a half drive to work and I drowned her 200 yards from work.... Pushed it out by myself but couldn't get it up the incline to make the last 100 yards to get it in the parking lot... So...

www.cruzetalk.com

 

[Blasirl]

@Mr_Pat 's Cruze is DOA right now until he can resuscitate it.

Dohht Cruze can't Swim.....

Soooooo yeah Wednesday was a bad day.... On my way to work dodging flooded areas which equated to an hour and a half drive to work and I drowned her 200 yards from work.... Pushed it out by myself but couldn't get it up the incline to make the last 100 yards to get it in the parking lot... So...

www.cruzetalk.com

That was two months ago!

 

[Blasirl]

 

[[email protected]]

Glad you posted that video, it really highlights what kind of gains you can expect from their tunes. I'd like to follow it up with what you can expect from a BNR tune.

ZZP Tune: +17HP +39TQ
BNR Tune: +56HP +101TQ

Dyno sheet from an actual customer car from Kentucky (we're in Florida) attached

 

[[email protected]]

Just to follow up, here are some more dynos from across the USA using BNR tunes. All stock turbo

 

[[email protected]]

Wanted to add to this, had a Sonic 1.4T customer on the dyno with a GTX250, 93 octane, 23psi. GTX250 throwing down some great numbers on this mustang dyno!

 

[Jayalpert]

Trifecta tune

2013 Cruze LT 1.4. 6-speed manual

mods:
trifecta elite tune
aem CIA
ZZP intercooler kit
ZZP Catless down pipe
Straight pipe through ZZP resonator
custom ported throttle body
BNR throttle body spacer
BNR ported intake manifold
BNR intake manifold spacer
Forge atmospheric BOV
BNR billet wast gate actuator
ZZP igniton coil
OTTP Short throw shifter
Short throw shift lever
Soild shift cable bushings
Solid shifter mount bushings

Trifecta did a wonderful job tuning this car, I started with the advantage tune then moved up. after the advantage tune on a completely stock car it was like the difference between night and day. It took a few datat logs to get everything dialed in correctly but after all was said and done this cruze is faster then my Vette.

 

[JLL]

Trifecta tune

2013 Cruze LT 1.4. 6-speed manual

mods:
trifecta elite tune
aem CIA
ZZP intercooler kit
ZZP Catless down pipe
Straight pipe through ZZP resonator
custom ported throttle body
BNR throttle body spacer
BNR ported intake manifold
BNR intake manifold spacer
Forge atmospheric BOV
BNR billet wast gate actuator
ZZP igniton coil
OTTP Short throw shifter
Short throw shift lever
Soild shift cable bushings
Solid shifter mount bushings

It took a few datat logs to get everything dialed in correctly but after all was said and done this cruze is faster then my Vette.

If that's accurate, I wonder what my car is faster than.