The fact that GM managed to make it work without cheating basically means that VW chose to cut corners to reduce their costs. No cheating was necessary.Not a previous VW owner... I had considered a TDI at one point but never followed through. I knew too many people with non-engine related issues with gasser VW's to be willing to take the chance (and the TDi's have the same issues). So in my case...really hasn't effected my opinion.
I believe the EPA and the Enviro-nazi movement with their excessive regulations fostered the enviroment that made cheating neccessary in some cases.
And at what cost? Bottom line is critical on non-luxury vehicles...pennies per unit are significant as they add up. And the cost isn't insignificant. The diesel in the Curze like most modern vehicles carries a HUGE price penalty because of the excessive emmission mandates imposed by people who openly admit they hate diesel vehicles and intend to take them off the road.The fact that GM managed to make it work without cheating basically means that VW chose to cut corners to reduce their costs. No cheating was necessary.
This is the engineering/design/marketing tradeoff that has to be made for all consumer products. In the case of Diesels this may mean that the bottom tier of cars will never be diesel. This is OK - it's market forces at work. VW was trying to cheat reality by cutting corners on their emissions systems. Chevy didn't cut those corners on the Cruze CTD. Mercedes apparently hasn't cut those corners either.And at what cost? Bottom line is critical on non-luxury vehicles...pennies per unit are significant as they add up. And the cost isn't insignificant.
While VW did compete directly with the Cruze.....Mercedes, or at least the ones sold in the USA, are a completely different class of vehicle. This is not the case everyplace however. Mercedes does make a lot of lower end stuff elsewhere...none of it importable to the USA until they reach 28 years of age when emissions and safety requirements are no longer required to be met.This is the engineering/design/marketing tradeoff that has to be made for all consumer products. In the case of Diesels this may mean that the bottom tier of cars will never be diesel. This is OK - it's market forces at work. VW was trying to cheat reality by cutting corners on their emissions systems. Chevy didn't cut those corners on the Cruze CTD. Mercedes apparently hasn't cut those corners either.
Pricing an equally equipped VW Jetta TDI with a Cruze Diesel and the Chevy is cheaper and has real leather available... GM managed to do it out of the gate in the US market with a modern Common Rail diesel engine. VW had YEARS of experience in the US market and chose to CHEAT to make more money!!! That's huge in my book...And at what cost? Bottom line is critical on non-luxury vehicles...pennies per unit are significant as they add up. And the cost isn't insignificant. The diesel in the Curze like most modern vehicles carries a HUGE price penalty because of the excessive emmission mandates imposed by people who openly admit they hate diesel vehicles and intend to take them off the road.
Same tactics of how do you boil a frog in an open pot of water? You start out cold and slowly raise the temperature....the frog gets used to it and doesn't jump out until it hits the critical temperature and dies and cooks. Right out of Saul Alinski's rules for radicals playbook. Eventually they will become so expensive nobody can afford to use them as a result...then end game.
BMW seems to be doing it too...This is the engineering/design/marketing tradeoff that has to be made for all consumer products. In the case of Diesels this may mean that the bottom tier of cars will never be diesel. This is OK - it's market forces at work. VW was trying to cheat reality by cutting corners on their emissions systems. Chevy didn't cut those corners on the Cruze CTD. Mercedes apparently hasn't cut those corners either.
Must be a regional thing on pricing....when I looked...WITHOUT all the discounts I was eligible for...I didn't see much if any break on the Cruze in my area. I did get a great deal on mine..Between employee discounts and other incentives including an end of the year sale...I ended up getting $7,800 off list. I knew several ex-VW owners the the horror stories they told me of reliability issues kept it from serious consideration.Pricing an equally equipped VW Jetta TDI with a Cruze Diesel and the Chevy is cheaper and has real leather available... GM managed to do it out of the gate in the US market with a modern Common Rail diesel engine. VW had YEARS of experience in the US market and chose to CHEAT to make more money!!! That's huge in my book...
I respectfully don't agree with your view or statement. Why would you loose faith in Chevy for VW cheating on lieing on emissions? Every car company makes mistakes GM included, VW cheated and lied and fooled the EPA in short term, the long term implications for VW will last a very long time and cost them many billions and just a lot of bad will for years to come.I lost faith in Chevy for freakin Germans having more brains to fool Obozos EPA. Id buy a VW if I didnt love America.
100% agree with the pricing. My ctd was $27k. An equally optioned (some options aren't available) jetta was $7k more where I live.Pricing an equally equipped VW Jetta TDI with a Cruze Diesel and the Chevy is cheaper and has real leather available... GM managed to do it out of the gate in the US market with a modern Common Rail diesel engine. VW had YEARS of experience in the US market and chose to CHEAT to make more money!!! That's huge in my book...
Anyone else here remember the stunt Daihatsu pulled that got them banned from the US market.I respectfully don't agree with your view or statement. Why would you loose faith in Chevy for VW cheating on lieing on emissions? Every car company makes mistakes GM included, VW cheated and lied and fooled the EPA in short term, the long term implications for VW will last a very long time and cost them many billions and just a lot of bad will for years to come.