[IndyDiesel]

Anyone else here remember the stunt Daihatsu pulled that got them banned from the US market.

VW wasn't the first to try to game the system and get caught....probably won't be the last either.

Agree with you they won't be the last.

 

[diesel]

Anyone else here remember the stunt Daihatsu pulled that got them banned from the US market.

VW wasn't the first to try to game the system and get caught....probably won't be the last either.

I tried googling this and only found where an ad was banned. What happened?

Daihatsu 'One day all cars will be this green' ad banned | Brand Republic

 

[pandrad61]

Ok here is my two cents. In light of the Vw scandal my impression of VW have not really dropped or gotten worse. Why you may ask? because i think Vw is the BIGGEST POS VEHICLE THIS COUNTRY IMPORTS. I own a 99 passat and have had a 87 vw. they both are cheap cheap cheap making Nissan look like luxury.

They cut corners more so then any manufacturer i have wrenched on. my 99 just broke the dip stick tube, it was made of plastic and stuck in the middle of the intake runners. when the plastic gets brittle it broke and dropped on the inside of my oil pan. huge nightmare to get it fixed. my 85 bmw 318 had a sunroof that never leaked and my 99 Vw leaks like a beaver dam. i could go on for a lot longer but i wont for rambling sake. when at the dealer as others have mentioned they make it hard to work with them. when wrenching they like using proprietary tools that you have to buy to do simple things. Vw is soo cheap and only in it for the $, they don't care after 5 years what happens to your car nor will they last as long without breaking.... they put more plastic into there car then glock does in there pistols. Heck the connectors in the car are literally falling apart so i cant remove them and reconnect.

Just because one company selfishly cut corners (go figure vw doing that) does not mean a different fuel feed motor should be scrapped. i like diesel and i like something that not everyone else drives. my CTd for the options was cheaper then a similar not exact equip VW. Ford, Dodge/fiat, GM, Bmw, Mercedes, honorable mention here Mazda( they are working on a American diesel but have not gotten the emissions right. they chose to refine it and be legal vs then launch while cheating and hope to get away with it) all got their diesel emissions right so Vw has absolutely no excuse at all because they chose to cut corners, they chose to put profits ahead of public health, they chose to LIE when getting caught.... And now folks Vw has chosen to pull out of the American diesel market permanently.

i could not be happier. Vw has now put a big black eye on its company and so much so it rather pull out then fix the issues and get back into diesel game. this shows me what they really are. i feel bad for vw owners stuck with a polluting car Thats oem not modified and now must suffer resale drop.

 

[diesel]

I don't think VW pulled out forever, just for 2016 model year. No matter, I won't be buying one.

 

[MP81]

Affected my opinion on Diesels? Absolutely not. We love our Diesel Cruze, and I'm planning on purchasing a Diesel Colorado in the near future.

Affected my opinion on VW? Absolutely.

 

[pandrad61]

I don't think VW pulled out forever, just for 2016 model year. No matter, I won't be buying one.

i could have sworn i had a quoted conversation with the stepped up CEO saying audi plans on pulling the plug on diesel to focus on hybrids now. even if they do get back into the diesel game, the American population will now have the black mark on VW like GM did after its old attempt of diesel sedans

 

[obermd]

What a lot of North American's don't know is that the reason diesels are so popular in Europe is political. Europe put a bounty (tax) on Carbon emissions but not on Nitrogen Oxides. Granted, this was done before we knew that NOx is a key contributer to acid rain, which has been killing the remaining forests in Europe. It's far easier to reduce carbon emissions from a diesel, but at the cost of more NOx emissions. Now that Europe is starting to realize that NOx is just as bad as COx, I think we will see the end of the diesel dominance in Europe as well. In fact, Europe is in may ways a better environment for electric cars - far less distances to travel. This is why Audi has chosen to focus on electric and hybrid vehicles. VW also stated they will be taking the Audi technology and use it across the board once the costs come down.

 

[pandrad61]

What a lot of North American's don't know is that the reason diesels are so popular in Europe is political. Europe put a bounty (tax) on Carbon emissions but not on Nitrogen Oxides. Granted, this was done before we knew that NOx is a key contributer to acid rain, which has been killing the remaining forests in Europe. It's far easier to reduce carbon emissions from a diesel, but at the cost of more NOx emissions. Now that Europe is starting to realize that NOx is just as bad as COx, I think we will see the end of the diesel dominance in Europe as well. In fact, Europe is in may ways a better environment for electric cars - far less distances to travel. This is why Audi has chosen to focus on electric and hybrid vehicles. VW also stated they will be taking the Audi technology and use it across the board once the costs come down.

paris is one country i hear that is more or less killing off diesel.

https://www.carthrottle.com/post/no...-too-why-the-world-now-seems-to-hate-diesels/


France - Paris to ban the most polluting diesel vehicles by July 2015 - France 24

London will follow Paris and ban diesel cars, campaigners warn - Telegraph

 

[boneheaddoctor]

I tried googling this and only found where an ad was banned. What happened?

Daihatsu 'One day all cars will be this green' ad banned | Brand Republic

They falsified crash test results to get approval to sell cars here in the USA and got away with it for a little while before they got caught. A relative lost a lot of money after paying for franchising rights and setting up a dealership only to have the government come in and yank everything out from him and others....

 

[diesel]

They falsified crash test results to get approval to sell cars here in the USA and got away with it for a little while before they got caught. A relative lost a lot of money after paying for franchising rights and setting up a dealership only to have the government come in and yank everything out from him and others....

I can't seem to find anything online to back that up. Can you cite a source? The closest I found was an article in the NY times which said they pulled out because they were losing money. Not trying to pick on you or anything, but this is an interesting topic to me because I always wondered but never researched. They did mention something about needing to invest in future safety regulations, but there's nothing about falsified crash test results. I would think something like that would have been big news back in the day.

COMPANY NEWS - Daihatsu Planning to Halt Imports to U.S. - NYTimes.com

 

[Robby]

Anyone else here remember the stunt Daihatsu pulled that got them banned from the US market.

VW wasn't the first to try to game the system and get caught....probably won't be the last either.

I remember Daiwoo getting its nipple caught in a ringer.......what happened to Daihatsu? (I don't even remember them marketing anything...please don't be a senile moment.

Rob

 

[PanJet]

And at what cost? Bottom line is critical on non-luxury vehicles...pennies per unit are significant as they add up. And the cost isn't insignificant. The diesel in the Curze like most modern vehicles carries a HUGE price penalty because of the excessive emmission mandates imposed by people who openly admit they hate diesel vehicles and intend to take them off the road.

Same tactics of how do you boil a frog in an open pot of water? You start out cold and slowly raise the temperature....the frog gets used to it and doesn't jump out until it hits the critical temperature and dies and cooks. Right out of Saul Alinski's rules for radicals playbook. Eventually they will become so expensive nobody can afford to use them as a result...then end game.

It's only a matter of time until gasoline engines have DPF style emissions controls on them - do a little reading on modern direct injected gasoline engines. While more efficient than traditional port injection, they actually create more soot. Modern direct injected gasoline engines are actually creating more soot emissions than modern diesels equipped with soot traps.

 

[boneheaddoctor]

I remember Daiwoo getting its nipple caught in a ringer.......what happened to Daihatsu? (I don't even remember them marketing anything...please don't be a senile moment.

Rob

Crap......now you have me thinking.....which was it? Neither sell vehicles here now....but did.


I need to ask that relative which it was.....

 

[boneheaddoctor]

It's only a matter of time until gasoline engines have DPF style emissions controls on them - do a little reading on modern direct injected gasoline engines. While more efficient than traditional port injection, they actually create more soot. Modern direct injected gasoline engines are actually creating more soot emissions than modern diesels equipped with soot traps.

I have read an article someplace that "cleaner" engines are actually far more "dirty" than they used to be. Maybe it was the same place you did.