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Hello all and thanks for your posts, I lurked here reading about the diesel Cruze prior to my purchase. I have been leary of late model vehicles in general, especially diesels burdened with complex emissions systems, but I decided to go for it as the car seemed like a good fit otherwise. I found my ideal version of the CTD...but it was across the country, in for a penny, in for a pound right? Convinced the wife to make a vacation out of it, flew from Buffalo NY to Seattle WA and the deal was done. I am very excited, less than the first day excitement, but still cautiously happy with the purchase. It is a beautiful white manual hatch with the RS package and Kalahari leather interior. The first 2 days were wonderful, so happy with the car and the drive. From the time we left the dealer a curious notice was intermittently showing on the infotainment screen at shutdown and start-up about servicing the rear camera, but the camera was working just fine so I didn't care.

We picked the car up on Friday 4/20 and visited friends in WA and OR the first 2 nights. Sunday night (4/22), in the middle of nowhere OR at 8pm (as dark as it gets), with 571 miles on the car, the check engine light, DEF/service emissions warning, and countdown to death came on. We checked the owners manual, called OnStar (why not, it was there), and verified no damage would be done by continuing on. Side note, DEF was 94% when we picked it up. We drove through the night to a dealer in Idaho, the last part with speed limited as promised, but only to 65mph (the first step of the countdown). The first dealer ran diagnostics and was able to reset the warnings (the code was P20E9), but no parameters were out of spec when tested or when triggered, a computer/system gremlin?

Onward we went, a lot of miles to go before home. Lava Hot Springs made us forget all our worries that night. On 4/24, about 2 blocks after a refuel stop, the same warnings were back, but it went directly to a limited speed of 65mph, 1202 miles on the odometer. Another wonderful dealer in UT got us in and out relatively quickly. Most of the time (about 3 hours) was due to the mechanic being unable to access the modules of the vehicle to fully reset them. The engine light was out/codes cleared (same code, again not out of specs when triggered), but the countdown remained. We decided to drive on to Salt Lake City and stay with friends there if the car needed to be kept at the dealer. Thankfully, a few miles later the countdown cleared.

After a brief visit with friends in SLC, we were starting to become afraid of driving at night and getting stuck, so onward to Glenwood Springs to be rejuvenated in the hot pools once more...before sundown. We made it to Kansas city on 4/26, about 2400 miles total, and we got it all again for the third time. This dealer got the same code, diagnosed it as an overpressure problem in the reductant system and stated the tank assembly needs to be replaced, but...the part is not available anywhere nationwide. Our only option was to continue with the reset, wash-rinse-repeat cycle until we were home, then deal with it locally ("wait on parts to become available or pulled from the assembly line"). We had already altered our trip to avoid evening travel and the risk of being stranded.

Reset again at 3200 miles in OH (same code, awesome dealer had us in and out), and arrived home at 3524 miles (DEF 37%). First drive this morning everything is back on. SO....I understand something will have to be done before the problem goes away, but being Sunday and back to work tomorrow, no way to deal with it until later this week. Curiously, the rear camera service notice is on associated with the emission warnings. By associated, it is not on except just prior to, or during the check engine light, with the exception of when I picked up the car in Seattle. Maybe they reset it there, no way of knowing unless the resets are stored in the computer. I will post updates with any progress. Won't be driving the car as planned until it is sorted, short trips should be fine but it will only stay close to home until this is resolved.

The car was super to drive. It was smooth (not to loud except on bad roads), and had excellent passing in 6th gear...it just takes off. It was amazing in the steep Colorado mountains and would never need to be down-shifted if slow traffic weren't a factor. When climbing hills, downshifting is a MUST if speed slows below about 50mph, did best in rpm range over 2000 when climbing. On flat ground you can easily cruise in 6th anywhere from 45mph without downshifting.

Display readings for any one interested: Had 77 miles when I picked it up
Trip: 3446 miles, 46.4 mpg average
Best 25 mile average: 81.3mpg travelling east on I70 down the mountain into Denver (I know, mostly coasting, but still amazing)
Average speed: 52.2mph (was below 25 mph when I picked it up). While on the interstate/highway I was at 75-80mph a lot of the time.
A couple tanks were just over 600 miles
I still need to sit down and go over my readings and fill-ups to manually check the numbers.

Thanks for your input if you have had this code, and any resolution. I am looking forward to learning from you all and sharing knowledge about our cars.
 

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Hello all and thanks for your posts, I lurked here reading about the diesel Cruze prior to my purchase. I have been leary of late model vehicles in general, especially diesels burdened with complex emissions systems, but I decided to go for it as the car seemed like a good fit otherwise.

I found my ideal version of the CTD...but it was across the country, in for a penny, in for a pound right? Convinced the wife to make a vacation out of it, flew from Buffalo NY to Seattle WA and the deal was done. I am very excited, less than the first day excitement, but still cautiously happy with the purchase. It is a beautiful white manual hatch with the RS package and Kalahari leather interior. The first 2 days were wonderful, so happy with the car and the drive. From the time we left the dealer a curious notice was intermittently showing on the infotainment screen at shutdown and start-up about servicing the rear camera, but the camera was working just fine so I didn't care.

We picked the car up on Friday 4/20 and visited friends in WA and OR the first 2 nights. Sunday night (4/22), in the middle of nowhere OR at 8pm (as dark as it gets), with 571 miles on the car, the check engine light, DEF/service emissions warning, and countdown to death came on. We checked the owners manual, called OnStar (why not, it was there), and verified no damage would be done by continuing on. Side note, DEF was 94% when we picked it up. We drove through the night to a dealer in Idaho, the last part with speed limited as promised, but only to 65mph (the first step of the countdown). The first dealer ran diagnostics and was able to reset the warnings (the code was P20E9), but no parameters were out of spec when tested or when triggered, a computer/system gremlin?

Onward we went, a lot of miles to go before home. Lava Hot Springs made us forget all our worries that night. On 4/24, about 2 blocks after a refuel stop, the same warnings were back, but it went directly to a limited speed of 65mph, 1202 miles on the odometer. Another wonderful dealer in UT got us in and out relatively quickly. Most of the time (about 3 hours) was due to the mechanic being unable to access the modules of the vehicle to fully reset them. The engine light was out/codes cleared (same code, again not out of specs when triggered), but the countdown remained. We decided to drive on to Salt Lake City and stay with friends there if the car needed to be kept at the dealer. Thankfully, a few miles later the countdown cleared.

After a brief visit with friends in SLC, we were starting to become afraid of driving at night and getting stuck, so onward to Glenwood Springs to be rejuvenated in the hot pools once more...before sundown. We made it to Kansas city on 4/26, about 2400 miles total, and we got it all again for the third time. This dealer got the same code, diagnosed it as an overpressure problem in the reductant system and stated the tank assembly needs to be replaced, but...the part is not available anywhere nationwide. Our only option was to continue with the reset, wash-rinse-repeat cycle until we were home, then deal with it locally ("wait on parts to become available or pulled from the assembly line"). We had already altered our trip to avoid evening travel and the risk of being stranded.

Reset again at 3200 miles in OH (same code, awesome dealer had us in and out), and arrived home at 3524 miles (DEF 37%). First drive this morning everything is back on. SO....I understand something will have to be done before the problem goes away, but being Sunday and back to work tomorrow, no way to deal with it until later this week. Curiously, the rear camera service notice is on associated with the emission warnings. By associated, it is not on except just prior to, or during the check engine light, with the exception of when I picked up the car in Seattle. Maybe they reset it there, no way of knowing unless the resets are stored in the computer. I will post updates with any progress. Won't be driving the car as planned until it is sorted, short trips should be fine but it will only stay close to home until this is resolved.

The car was super to drive. It was smooth (not to loud except on bad roads), and had excellent passing in 6th gear...it just takes off. It was amazing in the steep Colorado mountains and would never need to be down-shifted if slow traffic weren't a factor. When climbing hills, downshifting is a MUST if speed slows below about 50mph, did best in rpm range over 2000 when climbing. On flat ground you can easily cruise in 6th anywhere from 45mph without downshifting.

Display readings for any one interested: Had 77 miles when I picked it up
Trip: 3446 miles, 46.4 mpg average
Best 25 mile average: 81.3mpg travelling east on I70 down the mountain into Denver (I know, mostly coasting, but still amazing)
Average speed: 52.2mph (was below 25 mph when I picked it up). While on the interstate/highway I was at 75-80mph a lot of the time.
A couple tanks were just over 600 miles
I still need to sit down and go over my readings and fill-ups to manually check the numbers.

Thanks for your input if you have had this code, and any resolution. I am looking forward to learning from you all and sharing knowledge about our cars.
Welcome Aboard!:welcome:

1.4T owner - no help here. I had to break up the paragraphs a bit more for us old folks to read. Now that I was able to read it. I discovered a possible reason

:stoner: We picked the car up on Friday 4/20 :stoner:
Don't forget to introduce yourself and your Cruze here.
 

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Please identify the model year of your CTD. The build date would also be good to know.

GM has some internal documentation regarding non-factory changes made to tail lamps that cause problems with the backup camera. It’s a long shot - but do you know if anyone has fiddled with your tail lamps?
 

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It is a new 2018 manual hatch diesel. Had 77 miles on it at the dealer so no prior work to my knowledge. Thanks for the reply.
Can you please check inside the door jamb for a sticker that will include the month and year of assembly?
 

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Update: The Good: The dealer was able to fix the "service rear camera" intermittent/recurrent message with service bulletin 17-NA-322. Reprogram of the radio using USB.

The Bad: The check engine and DEF emissions warnings continue, along with speed limitations. So far they have found nothing out of specs but are replacing parts in hopes of discovering the cause. They have replaced the entire DEF tank assembly, in order to change the DEF pressure sensor. That attempt lasted 569 miles before all warnings came back on (they stated P20E9/00 this time). Yesterday, they checked it out again. All specs still show normal despite the CEL and emissions warnings with speed limited. They decided to replace the reductant module.

At this point I have been to the dealership 7 times in one month of new car ownership. They can't accurately diagnose the problem and are throwing parts at it. I can't reliably drive the car and requested a repurchase, that was denied. They want me to keep driving it to see if it is fixed this time.

I have opened a case with the BBB per the owners manual instruction.
 

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Thanks. As I am in NY I was thinking that as well, but it appears that you have to go this route first. They want you to jump through hoops instead of taking care of a customer. I am only glad it is happening now instead of after the warranty. Can you imagine the cost then? Keep in mind the DEF system is NOT considered part of the extended warranty for emissions. How do you like that? I really feel that this system is one of the final nails in the commuter car diesel engine coffin. Read the trends in Europe.
 

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Sorry to hear your troubles. My '18 6-speed manual diesel didn't even make it a day before settings a P20BF (reductant (DEF) heater circuit voltage low) code and the dealer said they also found a "PH66" code which I think the tech wrote down incorrectly on the work invoice. This caused the under 200-mile to 65 mph limited speed warning.

They cleared the codes and sent me on the way and on the drive home from the dealer the P20BF came back with a new P20E8 code (reductant pressure low). Brought it back and it had also set a P20BD (reductant heater circuit open). I asked if they had a diesel tech who could look and they found the melted DEF fluid line some other owners of early Mexican production diesel hatches have been experiencing.

It's also had a hesitation/stumble/miss when transitioning from in and out of light throttle at cruising speed. They've been happening since the DEF codes were settings, initially primarily when the engine was cold to now every time and continually. Recently is has set a P1476 (EVAP emission control, insufficient vacuum) twice during particularly bad events, clearing after a few drive cycles.

When the 2nd gen Cruze came out in 2016 it did great in Consumer Reports owner surveys and not bad in initial quality metrics. It apparently tanked in 2017, which makes me wonder if that had anything to do with the hatch and some sedan production imported from the plant in Ramos Arizpe, Mexico. The build quality on my car is particularly poor and it wouldn't surprise me if there's a simple electrical problem with the wiring harness or sensor as I can see some inconsistent behavior data logging on my scan tool.

GM's "Priority Care" has been about as useless as their social media people on forums, Facebook, Twitter, etc. They're pretty much glorified middle-men for you and the dealer. I gave them my final repair notice and at least in MA can now pursue the lemon law buyback.
 

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Blackbird, sorry to hear about your woes as well. I just got home this morning, about 2 miles from home, and again all the lights, warnings and speed limitations are back. It didn't even make it 300 miles after the last repair. I am pushing forward with the BBB. Someone from a legal dept. at GM contacted me Friday, only one day after filing the initial report with the BBB. Will keep you posted.
 

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I'm not too worried about it. As they say, "stuff happens".

It's probably something simple that was incorrectly assembled or damaged during install. Glad to hear you're getting some results through the BBB. Curious to see what GM offers.
 

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OP, document it all. Dates, miles, times and exactly what happened at each dealer.

You will need this for a buyback.
 

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Consumer reports sampling/results is skewed, anecdotal, self selected but it is not useless.

My first 300 mile def countdown was unexpected and at a bad time. I have def range anxiety now!

Def mpg exceeds 1000 mpg. so it seems there is no rational def range worry. Even so, I leave the dic screen constantly on “def level is ok”, awaiting the 30% warning.
 
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