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Of course if congress could learn how to write a law, wouldn't need any court to interpret them.

Doesn't seem to be any clear laws on same sex marriages, so why is the supreme court getting involved, but whenever they do, just a very marginal 5 to 4 decision, can't even get nine guys or girls to agree on any of this stuff. But then it becomes law regardless.

So with same sex marriages, bouncing all over the place as to what to do. But may the richest lobbyist win. So much for government by the people.

Ha, have a funny feeling our congress doesn't even want to touch this subject so dumped it on the supreme court.
 

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Why SHOULD there be laws on same sex marriage? Why do we require that the federal government dictates whom we are allowed to love? I think it's exactly right that the SCOTUS finally weighs in and tells the hard-right wing to get big government out of our lives.
 

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Scalia screwed up. The Greeks had same sex civil unions. They just didn't use the same word. The Romans did as well but it wasn't a "marriage" unless both involved were Roman citizens.
 

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Scalia screwed up. The Greeks had same sex civil unions. They just didn't use the same word. The Romans did as well but it wasn't a "marriage" unless both involved were Roman citizens.
Both of those civilizations were wiped out. They exist very differently today.
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... What do I care what you do, as long as you don't infringe on the rights of others?...
Seems to me, the larger issue is less whether same sex marriage should be legal, and more about how those who have religious objection can coexist without having their right to religious freedom effected.
Like religion, I don't own a gun, but I don't want my right to have one stripped from me.
 

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Scalia's question was, "Why didn't the Greeks have same sex marriages?" Answer is that they did. They just called it by a different name.

He's Italian-American. You'd think he would know of the multitude of same sex Roman Emperors' marriages. (thus negating the "definition of marriage has stood for Millenia argument)

Nobody's stripping anyone's religion away. Your church, your religion, etc... shouldn't have to perform same sex marriages. But other churches should be able to perform them.

I wouldn't have cared either way except for meeting an Episcopalian Vicar a few years back. He is the most Christlike man I have ever met except for his sexuality. He's gay. Really made me think. If this man falls in love,as many in the Episcopal Clergy do, he cannot marry.
 

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more about how those who have religious objection can coexist without having their right to religious freedom effected.
Like religion, I don't own a gun, but I don't want my right to have one stripped from me.
I'm not sure I follow your point.
 

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There is no reason for law on same sex marriage bans EXCEPT to push ones own beliefs on others. Do you really want to tell everyone else how to live? What gives you or me the right? Legal definition of marriage certainly should not follow the religious definition to a T, what religion should the government follow then?

I for one could care less what things my neighbors believe in, what they do on their own property and certainly would not stand in the way of anyone wanting to be legally defined as a couple. I see no reason to push these laws other than to discriminate against others who do not follow ones cookie cutter perfect view of what everyone should be.
 

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Part the real reason behind all of this is that same sex couples get the benefits that traditional marriage people do. My thought is you can have one adult in your house hold be sides you have all the same benefits you have no matter what gender. This way if a company says they will cover a spouse for insurance they will say they cover 1 extra adult. Just some change of wording to shut everyone up.
 

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Seems to me that fed gubment cries separation of church and state when it is convenient to their agenda, yet dives in head first when it doesn't fit their cause (or the cause of their donors).

And yes, the federal government is bought and paid for by special interest and deep pockets. Sadly, the S C is included in that statement.
 

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I'm not sure I follow your point.
I agree that we have legislators "pushing" their beliefs on us. Its always been that way, and that's also why we have periodic elections.
It has been established that gay marriage is a reality and lawmakers (those opposed) are are beginning to see this as a losing battle for them. Some will continue to fight, while others will seek to solidify the religious rights.
If they would just stop making laws that single out one group over another, and stick to the constitution (with Bill of Rights, and other amendments), without personal prejudice, all would be well.
But no. They haven't, they won't, and never will.
To be a politician, one just needs to want to serve the people. To win the election, often it takes narcissism.
 

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Tried my best to keep out any of my personal views on this subject totally unbiased, but as you can read, sure love to pick on our judicial and legislative branches.

But a good point was made, by WHY SHOULD WE NEED THESE LAWS IN THE FIRST PLACE?

These nuts are making laws on just about any subject you can think of. Look at our automobiles! Prior to about 45 years ago, was free to drop in any engine I felt like and was just between me and my insurance company.

Just to dang many laws. Can't even fill a hole in my own yard without having the DNR saying I am breaking the law for getting rid of two square feet of wetlands.
 

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I typed in Illinois wetlands.com once, their site for waterfowl/hunting ect and a porn site came up? I wonder if they knew this? :uhh:
 

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Wisconsin is the cranberry capital of the world about 30 miles south of us, thousand of acres of land are flooded.

Highways 80 and 173 are built on mounds through these wetlands, and one short drive through this country in the summer, can spend the rest of the week cleaning bugs off your car.

Ha, this may change with Walker in charge, won't bother me in the least, but will certainly tee off a bunch of Canadian geese. These are their resting spots, hundreds of thousand of them.
 

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Same sex couples are US citizens, work and pay taxes so of course they should have the same rights as other couples. SCOTUS will confirm this with their ruling. Can't believe it took this long!!
 

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Same sex couples are US citizens, work and pay taxes so of course they should have the same rights as other couples. SCOTUS will confirm this with their ruling. Can't believe it took this long!!
So are you saying there shouldn't be any laws on this issue,either pro or con? If so, I agree with you, suppose to be a country of freedom of the individual.

Way too many laws that result in more crime than anything else, like prohibition creating huge crime syndicates. This country went 140 years before they started making certain plants illegal, look what this caused. Drugs that were known to be used my mankind for over 10,000 years became illegal even to the point where pharmaceutical companies can't learn about their benefits to relief that pain of mankind.

And our daily lives are controlled by excess taxation. We certainly drifted the wrong way since our founders formed this country.
 

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Wisconsin is the cranberry capital of the world about 30 miles south of us, thousand of acres of land are flooded.

Highways 80 and 173 are built on mounds through these wetlands, and one short drive through this country in the summer, can spend the rest of the week cleaning bugs off your car.

Ha, this may change with Walker in charge, won't bother me in the least, but will certainly tee off a bunch of Canadian geese. These are their resting spots, hundreds of thousand of them.
Can we send the rest of them up to you? They hang around here year around causing trouble.
 

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"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion..."


Seems to me that several members of Congress are trying to establish their fundamentalist views as a "National Religion" which is contrary to my understanding of the First Amendment.

They have the right and the freedom to practice their religion and no one can take that away. You wanna' align yourself with Westboro Baptist, go right ahead. But it is not okay to make others subject to your religion and make Sharia-like laws to enforce it.
 
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