[H3LLON3ARTH]

Listen for yourself.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFqo04T5lnY&feature=youtube_gdata_player

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omlS_f1jchE&feature=youtube_gdata_player

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Which is bigger than my hand.

 

[Austin9991]

Does sound nice...I'm stuck in the middle between the Injen and the K&N

 

[Merc6]

That was suppose to say Sri louder/sportier. Phone changed it to CAI.


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[Austin9991]

Any Cruzers out there running the Injen CAI with comments on it???

 

[Sic81]

Is a full intake really worth it over a k&n + res delete?

 

[zeoalex]

Any Cruzers out there running the Injen CAI with comments on it???

there are a handful. People seem to like em, that's what i'm going to order in the next few days

 

[XtremeRevolution]

Is a full intake really worth it over a k&n + res delete?

Not really. It's more of a sound/cosmetic mod. Especially with the 1.4T, where intake temps at the MAF won't be all that consequential.

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[Austin9991]

there are a handful. People seem to like em, that's what i'm going to order in the next few days

Do me a favor and let me know how you like it!

 

[N519AT]

Just installed the Injen CAI to my the other day. Definitely more turbo noise, more power and better throttle response. I'm very pleased with my purchase.

It was kind of a pain to install with taking the bumper off (definitely get a second set of hands if you can) but I killed two birds with one stone and installed the factory fogs at the same time.


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[N519AT]

Forgot to add: my intake temps (according to the scangauge) are only 5*F warmer now than ambient with the Injen CAI. Before they were around 10*F warmer IIRC.


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[XtremeRevolution]

Sorry, I didn't have a lot of time to respond to this.

The Injen intake is better than the K&N intake for the following reasons.

1. Amsoil EA dry filter instead of a K&N oiled filter. The Amsoil filter is the best on the market, and every independent test will prove it. The K&N filter is one of the worst on the market, and independent data proves that as well. Dodge denies warranties left and right on Cummins motors with K&N intakes/filters installed. They even have a TSB out for it. Too many dirty engines because the filters flat out cannot filter as well as those engines need to.

2. Far more mandrel bent material. In fact, a good 3-4x as much tubing as the K&N. You actually get your money's worth with the Injen intake. The K&N re-uses the rubber hose that connects into the throttle body.

3. K&N is a hot air intake. It will not suck in any cold air. The heat shield included is a joke and does nothing to "shield" the filter from ambient hot air that sits at the top of the engine bay.

4. The performance claims are bogus. The dyno test is done taking the best result with the intake comparing to the worst result with the factory, not an average of all tests, and the tests are done with the hood open when the filter is installed. In other words, not a real-world scenario. The difference between a K&N intake and a stock intake with a bypassed intake resonator is at most 2hp with a tune. Is it worth $200? Well, is a lame excuse for an ambient heat shield and a pipe with a MAF mount welded on it worth $150? Yeah...I didn't think so.

The Injen is the only intake that comes remotely close to being worth the advertised price, and the only real benefits are sound and cosmetics. Otherwise, you'd get the same results bypassing the stock resonator.

 

[Austin9991]

Sorry, I didn't have a lot of time to respond to this.

The Injen intake is better than the K&N intake for the following reasons.

1. Amsoil EA dry filter instead of a K&N oiled filter. The Amsoil filter is the best on the market, and every independent test will prove it. The K&N filter is one of the worst on the market, and independent data proves that as well. Dodge denies warranties left and right on Cummins motors with K&N intakes/filters installed. They even have a TSB out for it. Too many dirty engines because the filters flat out cannot filter as well as those engines need to.

2. Far more mandrel bent material. In fact, a good 3-4x as much tubing as the K&N. You actually get your money's worth with the Injen intake. The K&N re-uses the rubber hose that connects into the throttle body.

3. K&N is a hot air intake. It will not suck in any cold air. The heat shield included is a joke and does nothing to "shield" the filter from ambient hot air that sits at the top of the engine bay.

4. The performance claims are bogus. The dyno test is done taking the best result with the intake comparing to the worst result with the factory, not an average of all tests, and the tests are done with the hood open when the filter is installed. In other words, not a real-world scenario. The difference between a K&N intake and a stock intake with a bypassed intake resonator is at most 2hp with a tune. Is it worth $200? Well, is a lame excuse for an ambient heat shield and a pipe with a MAF mount welded on it worth $150? Yeah...I didn't think so.

The Injen is the only intake that comes remotely close to being worth the advertised price, and the only real benefits are sound and cosmetics. Otherwise, you'd get the same results bypassing the stock resonator.

exactly the post I was looking for xtreme, very informative. Think im gonna go with the Injen CAI, will probably buy around black Friday.

 

[GM Master Tech]

The problem with K&N filters mostly is when they are over oiled.It can contaminate the maf sensor.Also if you drive or live in a area with very dusty type conditions it is possible for some to pass threw the air filter.That being said a K&N is about the same restriction as having no air filter at all installed.At least in any test i have ever seen they out flow all filters.The trade off is make sure there light on oil and there not a good filter for dirty dusty places.In what i would call normal areas and lightly oiled they are fine.I have used them in my own cars for over 30 years with no problems.But i would not use one if i lived in a dust bowl area either.The problem to is no one at this time makes a dry flow replacement air cleaner for the 1.4 but there is one available for the 1.8

 

[XtremeRevolution]

The problem with K&N filters mostly is when they are over oiled.It can contaminate the maf sensor.Also if you drive or live in a area with very dusty type conditions it is possible for some to pass threw the air filter.That being said a K&N is about the same restriction as having no air filter at all installed.At least in any test i have ever seen they out flow all filters.The trade off is make sure there light on oil and there not a good filter for dirty dusty places.In what i would call normal areas and lightly oiled they are fine.I have used them in my own cars for over 30 years with no problems.But i would not use one if i lived in a dust bowl area either.The problem to is no one at this time makes a dry flow replacement air cleaner for the 1.4 but there is one available for the 1.8

Oiled filters benchmark horrible results on a consistent basis. You may have seen this before:

Filtration Testing for Amsoil, K&N, Napa, Jackson Racing, Baldwin, and Mazda air filters on a Miata

 

[2013LT]

I changed my mind on any intake for now... unless someone actually comes out with a quality one. Even though the price was right I backed out of the K&N. (Figures I just commented on over oiling on the other thread)

 

[GM Master Tech]

Yes i have seen Bobs test.K&N is the best flowing but the worst at filtering.Thats the trade off.Do i think anymore engine wear would be noted in 2 engines with 200,000 mile on them.With both haveing the same oil change times and miles.And 1 with a K&N and 1 with a factory air cleaner.Most likely not anything passing the air cleaner would be far to small to cause any real type of wear or oil contamination.I have seen a number of high mileage engines Useing K&N for there life time.But i can also say i have seen a fair amount of Maf sensor problems to from over oil filters.

 

[XtremeRevolution]

Yes i have seen Bobs test.K&N is the best flowing but the worst at filtering.Thats the trade off.Do i think anymore engine wear would be noted in 2 engines with 200,000 mile on them.With both haveing the same oil change times and miles.And 1 with a K&N and 1 with a factory air cleaner.Most likely not anything passing the air cleaner would be far to small to cause any real type of wear or oil contamination.I have seen a number of high mileage engines Useing K&N for there life time.But i can also say i have seen a fair amount of Maf sensor problems to from over oil filters.

I tread on the cautious side when it comes to big investments. My $21k Cruze is considered a big investment. Chrysler has a TSB out denying warranties on Cummins diesels that they find K&N intakes installed in. There is a very good reason for it. Given the lack of any consequential performance increase, I'll stick to my Injen with an Amsoil EA filter. MAF sensors are not cheap, nor are turbos. I'm not going to roll this pair of dice.

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[GM Master Tech]

The problem is the K&N is the only solution right now for someone that wants a high flow replacement panel air cleaner.I did look for a dry flow i thought it would be cool to have one in the cruze but none is available at this time.For me the K&N was the only solution.The wife uses the car on buisness trips sometimes.I cant risk her behind the wheel with a aftermarket intake.Water build up in the road large puddles or what have you.For me thats protecting my investment in the cruze lol

 

[sedanman]

The problem is the K&N is the only solution right now for someone that wants a high flow replacement panel air cleaner.

Not true. What about Green Filter USA? They have a high flow panel filter for the Cruze 1.4L
Green Filter USA - Official Site

They supposedly flow higher than even K&N.

Anyone ever try these?

 

[XtremeRevolution]

The problem is the K&N is the only solution right now for someone that wants a high flow replacement panel air cleaner.I did look for a dry flow i thought it would be cool to have one in the cruze but none is available at this time.For me the K&N was the only solution.The wife uses the car on buisness trips sometimes.I cant risk her behind the wheel with a aftermarket intake.Water build up in the road large puddles or what have you.For me thats protecting my investment in the cruze lol

The bottom line when it comes to panel filters is this.

Whenever you increase flow, you decrease filtration, and vise versa. There is no exception to this. If you want to increase flow AND filtration, you need to increase filter surface area. I unfortunately cannot support K&N filters from a technical standpoint knowing what they've done to turbos on Cummins motors and knowing that we also have turbos on our cars. To me, the extra flow is not worth the proven risk.