Here's an opinion on the future fate of the Diesel here and in Europe.
Volkswagen dieselgate one year later: What have we learned? - CSMonitor.com
Volkswagen dieselgate one year later: What have we learned? - CSMonitor.com
I tried to follow links to see the details of that study but failed to find it. I have a suspicion that someone is taking known weaknesses in the law and putting a spin on that.Interesting that European diesels have all been implicated in not meeting emissions standards
Diesels became popular in Europe back in the 70s when Europe put harsh (for non-Catalytic converter emissions) limits on CO and CO2. Europe didn't start regulating NOx emissions until the mid 90s. It's very easy to build a diesel engine that puts out very little COx but very difficult to control NOx. The US took a different route clamping down on COx and NOx at the same time, which is what led to the Catalytic Converter to convert hydrocarbon emissions into CO2 and H2O. CO2 emissions are actually relatively easy to control in a gasoline engine by running at higher temperatures and closer to a pure Atkinson cycle, so the extra CO2 generated by Catalytic Converters was considered acceptable. Gasoline engines will put out nearly zero NOx emissions when burning properly.Original article from greencarreports... Which generally would like the end of ICE (internal combustion engine). Technology improves and goes down in cost. Expensive emissions today are less so in the future. The 20% energy density of diesel remains a key advantage, as well as longevity and heavy torque. Diesel will recover. New offerings from Nissan, GM, Chrysler, Jaguar, Land Rover, Mercedes, BMW will continue.
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As mentioned above, there's a pretty huge difference between some ******* owners intentionally and illegally messing with their own trucks' emission control systems while the majority of the owners of new diesel trucks leave them alone. While a company illegally programs a cheat so they don't have to install those emission control systems at all on any of the vehicles sold.Not to derail this thread but it is sad that VW got nailed like they did and yet there are vehicles out "rolling coal" and nothing is done about it? This is on brand new trucks. Around here I know of several individuals that purchased new diesel trucks and deleted the emissions right away.
Don't worry about. Everything is just dry labbed or made by people who really don't know what they are doing. It's pretty common nowadays with sites whose sole purpose is to get clicks and support their agenda.I tried to follow links to see the details of that study but failed to find it. I have a suspicion that someone is taking known weaknesses in the law and putting a spin on that.
Great point, not only was advisement nearly non existent, the car is barely noticeable from a gasser Cruze. The tiny "2.0 TD" badge the could be an "ECO" badge from more than 10 feet away is all there is. Add to that, they were competing with VW until the end of 2015, VW was lower priced, offered a manual transmission to boot. Despite that they still sold cars. Perhaps I'm biased now that I have 2 CTDs!!I think there's a good shot that the new Cruze and Equinox diesels will do well. And I disagree with the article's statement that the 1st gen Cruze diesel "sold poorly". They only planned to sell 10,000 and sold nearly double that. With very little advertising. From what I heard, GM considered it a success. Why else would they be be bringing more diesels?
It was only higher priced because Chevy only sold the diesel in one trim level, fully loaded. If they offered a base model with as you mentioned, a manual transmission I'm sure it would have sold a lot more even with non-existent advertisement, I would have bought one for sure.Great point, not only was advisement nearly non existent, the car is barely noticeable from a gasser Cruze. The tiny "2.0 TD" badge the could be an "ECO" badge from more than 10 feet away is all there is. Add to that, they were competing with VW until the end of 2015, VW was lower priced, offered a manual transmission to boot. Despite that they still sold cars. Perhaps I'm biased now that I have 2 CTDs!!
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While electric certainly has the public's attention, I think the contest is far from settled. I still think there's a good chance for biofuels to come along. Especially when you stop to consider 18-wheelers and commercial airline flight. Not to mention the DoD making a major push for "drop in replacement" fuels to power current weapons. Electric vehicles at this time are far too dependent on some kind of technical and cost breakthrough to make it practical for industrial movers. Their place in the future is not guaranteed.but hybrids and electrics are the future, and diesel will get left behind long before gassers do.
Diesel retains a 20% energy density advantage over gasoline, even more over ethanol and other fuels, it's stable and has long shelf life and has a distribution network established. Hybrid makes sense in urban stop and go type traffic, mostly highway and it is not worth the cost. Pure electric has range and charging time limitations, and it's not zero emissions when 70% of electrical power comes from coal. Few people are going to be able to afford separate cars, electric for city, gas diesel for long drives. This is where hybrids gained some traction, they are still even more expensive than diesel. CAFE standards are driving OEMs to go outside the box, but small cars are not very profitable, to increase MPG and have a larger vehicle, Diesel makes sense.. which is where some OEMs, GM included are going. With many emissions technology hurdles worked out with Duramax truck experience behind them.. They may pull it off.I am a diesel convert, and love diesels, but it will be a very tough fight for Chevrolet to gain traction with the small passenger diesels, especially if gas prices stay as low as they are, on top of all the issues VW brought with the scandal. The diesel option costs outweigh the benefit at this time, and while I prefer driving my diesel Cruze over a gas model, I wouldn't have bought it if it didn't cost me as much as an LS gas model. There is no way I would have paid the 28k MSRP. The diesel Colorado isn't selling as well as this article makes it seem, at least from my first hand knowledge in my area they are sitting on the lots, and remember it has a 5k premium over the gas models. The gas 2nd gen Cruze also gets MPG numbers in the range of the EPA rated first gen diesel numbers. I hope Chevrolet can pull it off, but hybrids and electrics are the future, and diesel will get left behind long before gassers do.
I thought I read that GM was expecting the Cruze Diesel to be 10% of all of the Cruze sales...where did you read that GM was expecting to sell only 10K Cruze diesels?I think there's a good shot that the new Cruze and Equinox diesels will do well. And I disagree with the article's statement that the 1st gen Cruze diesel "sold poorly". They only planned to sell 10,000 and sold nearly double that. With very little advertising. From what I heard, GM considered it a success. Why else would they be be bringing more diesels?
There is an answer: Politics. VW did something so bad, they needed to appease the political powers that be, who HATE Internal Combustion Engine. They had to make a move that would appease the forces lining up to go for the jugular. Been following this closely, and I think it boils down to the political forces in play. GM seems ready to pick up the market VW is leaving. Time will tell how this works out for them. I think they needed to stop the immediate bleeding, but when the dust settles they may well reengage with a complaint TDI at some future date.I thought I read that GM was expecting the Cruze Diesel to be 10% of all of the Cruze sales...where did you read that GM was expecting to sell only 10K Cruze diesels?
The thing I don't understand is why VW is going to drop out of the diesel market all together now...why wouldn't VW just put the emission equipment on it's diesel cars like GM did and and keep selling diesels....seems like they owned the market, so why just let it go when it would be so easy just to put the emission equipment in the cars.