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Nit: .25 cents/mile is approximately .0027 dollars/mile
.0027 dollars/mile * 100 cents/dollar = 0.27 cents/mile
.0027 dollars/mile * 100 cents/dollar = 0.27 cents/mile
Whats everyones mpg's?
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my post says .25 CENTS per mileCalling diesel exhaust fluid (DEF) a "fuel" isn't quite as accurate as referring to it as an expendable or consumption item. Yes, it does slightly increase the cost per mile driven in consumables but not much. If you really wanted to see the difference in operating costs per mile driven, you'd also want to consider differences in depreciation, insurance costs, etc. between a gas and diesel Cruze along with the consumables to get a true cost of ownership.
While it would be a touch less expensive if you didn't have to top off DEF once or twice an oil change, by using it GM was able to meet the emission requirements needed to sell this car. Without DEF there would be no North American diesel Cruze. It runs clean and still gets great mileage so I'll live with it.
Calculating 7500 miles for $20 in DEF would be $0.0027 of DEF used per mile, so even more incredibly less.
if you wanna express it as dollars, yeah, .0025 DOLLARS per mile
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yeah i was rounding, cuz def usage varies, as does the price of the def
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Right - I was pointing out what you just noted in your post above - that 0.0025 dollars per mile is the same as 0.25 cents per mile
My DEF cost (calculated it on another thread) is less than $0.002/mile. I agree that it's a very minor cost.Calculating 7500 miles for $20 in DEF would be $0.0027 of DEF used per mile, so even more incredibly less.
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My mistake...thought this thread was about MPG, not CPM.
If we’re talking CPM gas vs diesel, yeah there’s the ‘whopping’ additional cost of the DEF. I’ve spent a total of $15 (US) on DEF for 15,000 miles so that’s a grand total of 1/10th of a cent per mile added to the cost of fuel.
If we’re talking CPM gas vs diesel, yeah there’s the ‘whopping’ additional cost of the DEF. I’ve spent a total of $15 (US) on DEF for 15,000 miles so that’s a grand total of 1/10th of a cent per mile added to the cost of fuel.
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My apologies, I was reading it as .25 dollars or twenty-five cents.
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no worries, most of the time stuff is expressed in dollars, so its normal to sorta read it and miss the units
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Just picked up a 2017 LT auto and I'm getting around 37 but can get 45 with a light foot.
Have had my 2017 Manual for 2 months, put 6200 miles on it, and have gotten pretty much exactly 51mpg average on every tank. I did just get a check engine indicator a week ago which was diagnosed as a bad particulate matter sensor, waiting on a replacement part. Mileage has dropped a bit but I don't know if those are related or not, or if fuel quality is going down as winter approaches in the northeast here.
Thanks folks for confirming my rough calculations that including DEF in mpg or dollars per mile arithmetic reduces the result by a percent or a few percent. So we should always reduce the calculated diesel mpg by an entire mpg or two to account for the DEF consumption in our cars. We can define a new ratio relating diesel consumption with DEF consumption as the DEF-consumption-constant - it might be different for each vehicle/engine/driving-condition, and it seems to be between 1% and 5% range.
We'll need a name and a Greek letter for this new constant.
DEF needs to be refilled and it gets burned up in order to make the car go more than 4 mph.
Please tell me again why DEF is not fuel and/or pony up and refill my cars DEF whenever it needs it? It's really a minor cost, not a big deal, it shouldn't be a problem for the hordes of DEF-is-not-a-fuel people to refill it on my car when necessary, you can each take a day of the week to check/refill my cars DEF as necessary. Thanks in advance !
We'll need a name and a Greek letter for this new constant.
DEF needs to be refilled and it gets burned up in order to make the car go more than 4 mph.
Please tell me again why DEF is not fuel and/or pony up and refill my cars DEF whenever it needs it? It's really a minor cost, not a big deal, it shouldn't be a problem for the hordes of DEF-is-not-a-fuel people to refill it on my car when necessary, you can each take a day of the week to check/refill my cars DEF as necessary. Thanks in advance !
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Jet propulsion when it's converted to gaseous form and blown out the tailpipe?
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Drove over 130 miles for work yesterday, highway and interstate 55-70 mph. Averaged 53mpg on a fresh tank, going to see what I get average over this whole trip. Heading back home Friday.
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i guess you dont consider diesel a fuel either, it meets your bowl and matches criteria for not being a fuel:biglaugha:
DEF is not a fuel. DEF does not get burned. DEF is a consumable, but not a combustible. If you think it is a fuel, pour some in a bowl and throw matches at it until you can get it to burn or can admit it's not a fuel.
Fine. Fill your fuel tank with DEF and see how far you get.
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def can be removed, taking diesel out of the equation and the car wont run. Sure its a consumable and added cost over a gasoline vehicle but it has nothing to do with the diesels mpg which is what we were discussing. This isn't a gas vs diesel cost comparison thread. If you want to make it that way then diesel is on average 10-20 cents a liter cheaper then gas in my area. That savings alone easily pays for def and then some. You wouldn't subtract mpg's from a gas cars average because of increased fuel costs would you? the 5-10% added cost of fuel is far more substantial then the fraction of a percent of def consumption.
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quote me where i said def is a fuel
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