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WW2 planes have always been my favorite in aviation history (I just really don't care that much for jets). So it was really pretty awesome to see all of these rare planes IN THE AIR today.

I toured a B-17 when I was younger, and a couple P-51D's at air shows, but never seen all of them in the air together.

My grandfather was stationed in Europe on a B-17 in 1943-1944 before his plane was shot down. He was the only survivor.

Here's some video footage of some of my favorites:

 

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Thanks for the vid.....I fly aerobatics with a friend who operates a Stearman....450 hp conversion (originals were 220hp)

Same guy has a 51D....The jump seat is tiny....I thought I would be a part of it once I got into it....considered a training version but not very forgiving to my 64 year old structure.
We also have a friend flying a Texan.....great airplane.....turns vast amounts of fuel into noise.

I've yet to have the opportunity to go up in a 17......Just gotta be at the right place at the right time.

My only jet ride was in a L-39.....talk about a fuel burning SOB......and not even supersonic....not necessary though.....it compresses time and space just fine.

I too am passonate when it comes to warbirds....can you tell?

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today we have the celebration across the country
Aviation was a lot on parade
1.10 minutes with aviation begins
 

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Since I was planted here in 1939, grew up during WW II, no, I didn't start it. But was brought up with a strong interest in WW II planes. On the back of Wheaties cereal boxes was planes that could be cut out. Seem to have a strong interest in watching the military channel that is now called the American Hero's Channel, could also be called the Hitler channel.

Really tend to question how great the B-17 was, was called the Flying Fortress, but many were lost without a fighter escort, and with a ten man crew, could only carry 4,000 pounds of bombs. Lancaster's could carry as much as 20,000 pounds. Typically more like 12,000 pounds, three times the bomb load of the B-17.

Then the huge diversity of the planes developed between the European and Pacific wars. One example of this was using our Rangers to clear off that ridge on Omaha Beach that murdered thousand of our troops on that initial landing. Pacific already had that Douglas SBD Dauntless dive bomger that took out more Japanese carriers than anything else. So why couldn't they bring just on aircraft carrier to Normandy, and use these to clear off the top of that cliff. But this is hindsight.

Also had the P-38 that had the range to escort the bombers and very effective against the Japanese Zero, could have knocked down many 109's with this plane. But again, hindsight.

Planes were far more effective in knocking out tanks, but the thinking was to build thousands of heavy way overpriced tanks to knock out another tank. But did have the advantage over poor weather. Maybe they could have waited for better weather and planes were much cheaper to build and transport. Those German tanks were just to darn slow to get out of the way, and their guns had to be hand cranked.

Fascism is defined as a dictator ran government based on racial purity where the state becomes way ahead of the individual, difficult to believe the very intelligent German people bought this line of BS.

Grew up with a mom that all she could talk about was the great depression and how difficult life was, but when WW II broke out, suddenly there was all kinds of money and jobs, but sure couldn't spend any of it, everything was rationed here.

How come there isn't tons of money and jobs during peace time? War was always considered extremely non-productive. Not only the expense of war, but the billions of dollars necessary to clean up the mess afterwards.

And why is it one 18 year old is killing another 18 year old when the leaders are living in extreme comfort drinking tea? Yeah, I know, stupid questions. Ha, when I was 18, did have a choice, either serve or go to jail. So wondering how legal my oath was.
 

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today we have the celebration across the country
Aviation was a lot on parade
1.10 minutes with aviation begins
Super cool. I love seeing military displays both retro and modern. I wish the us would do more strutting like n Korea and Russia do with there military
 

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WW2 planes have always been my favorite in aviation history (I just really don't care that much for jets). So it was really pretty awesome to see all of these rare planes IN THE AIR today.

I toured a B-17 when I was younger, and a couple P-51D's at air shows, but never seen all of them in the air together.

My grandfather was stationed in Europe on a B-17 in 1943-1944 before his plane was shot down. He was the only survivor.

Here's some video footage of some of my favorites:

I always think about how epic the war was and how awesome I feel when I see the relics.... and own some too!
 

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Super cool. I love seeing military displays both retro and modern. I wish the us would do more strutting like n Korea and Russia do with there military
yet today more than 500 000 people came to the action "Immortal regiment of" carrying photos of relatives veterans are participating in war
 

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Since I was planted here in 1939, grew up during WW II, no, I didn't start it. But was brought up with a strong interest in WW II planes. On the back of Wheaties cereal boxes was planes that could be cut out. Seem to have a strong interest in watching the military channel that is now called the American Hero's Channel, could also be called the Hitler channel.

Really tend to question how great the B-17 was, was called the Flying Fortress, but many were lost without a fighter escort, and with a ten man crew, could only carry 4,000 pounds of bombs. Lancaster's could carry as much as 20,000 pounds. Typically more like 12,000 pounds, three times the bomb load of the B-17.

Then the huge diversity of the planes developed between the European and Pacific wars. One example of this was using our Rangers to clear off that ridge on Omaha Beach that murdered thousand of our troops on that initial landing. Pacific already had that Douglas SBD Dauntless dive bomger that took out more Japanese carriers than anything else. So why couldn't they bring just on aircraft carrier to Normandy, and use these to clear off the top of that cliff. But this is hindsight.

Also had the P-38 that had the range to escort the bombers and very effective against the Japanese Zero, could have knocked down many 109's with this plane. But again, hindsight.

Planes were far more effective in knocking out tanks, but the thinking was to build thousands of heavy way overpriced tanks to knock out another tank. But did have the advantage over poor weather. Maybe they could have waited for better weather and planes were much cheaper to build and transport. Those German tanks were just to darn slow to get out of the way, and their guns had to be hand cranked.

Fascism is defined as a dictator ran government based on racial purity where the state becomes way ahead of the individual, difficult to believe the very intelligent German people bought this line of BS.

Grew up with a mom that all she could talk about was the great depression and how difficult life was, but when WW II broke out, suddenly there was all kinds of money and jobs, but sure couldn't spend any of it, everything was rationed here.

How come there isn't tons of money and jobs during peace time? War was always considered extremely non-productive. Not only the expense of war, but the billions of dollars necessary to clean up the mess afterwards.

And why is it one 18 year old is killing another 18 year old when the leaders are living in extreme comfort drinking tea? Yeah, I know, stupid questions. Ha, when I was 18, did have a choice, either serve or go to jail. So wondering how legal my oath was.
24 had a 5000 to 8000 pound payload depending on range
 

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Also had the P-38 that had the range to escort the bombers and very effective against the Japanese Zero, could have knocked down many 109's with this plane. But again, hindsight.
From what I'm reading it was easy pray for the 109.
 

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Just come to Oshkosh and will see more than the P-38.



If in the last week of July, can even see one fly.



P-47 was a monster of an aircraft.



But this was the real winner: P-51



If you have a pilots license, let you go beyond the fence, and can even touch this birds. Be nice to the owner and let you sit in one. But don't bother to ask him if you can fly it. LOL.
 

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If you have a pilots license, let you go beyond the fence, and can even touch this birds. Be nice to the owner and let you sit in one. But don't bother to ask him if you can fly it. LOL.
Yeah, p51 would be my 2nd favorite. Thunderbolt was pretty awesome too.

Got to see a bunch of P51s fly over at Andrews AFB a couple years ago. And one fly with a F15. It was awesome.

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Another interesting plane you can see at Oshkosh, ha, sound like a politician for the EAA.

Curtis P-40 Warhawk that served all through WW II. Not the best fighter, but was good for supporting ground troops as well, don't need that speed.



Maybe you noticed practically all of these aircraft were tail draggers, my preferred aircraft even in the private field, full control and really lost a lot of speed with that nose gear.

But this is as far as I got, just had to be born with 20-70 vision, very strict on this 20-20 stuff. What, not even a cargo plane?

They also have/had a B-29 and a B-17, while the outside was very streamlined, trying to navigate in the inside of these things like was walking through a maze loaded with sharp corners. Ha, couldn't help but saying OSHA would have had a blast in here writing up tickets. And creature comforts in the B-17 was extremely poor, and forget about even trying to get into that belly turret. Took one very brave soul to get into there.

One type of flying I really hate is with the airlines, packed in like sardines, treated like cattle to slaughter, and positively no control over the aircraft. Talk about putting your life in the hands of a stranger. But had to do a lot of this during my career.

Took me awhile to realize the same was true of watching pro sports on TV, that bit about no control, ha, like being in control.
 

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Talked to guys at the EAA that restore these old birds. One common statement they all make, is these planes certainly were not built to last. Corrosion is the major problem, figure after a couple of missions, will be shot down anyway, performance was key.

DC-3's were built to last, one shop is modifying these with turbos for foreign airlines. They contact me every once in awhile to help them solve ancient electrical or electronic problems. Ha, only an ancient guy can do stuff like this.
 

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Ah, found the picture of the B17 on the ground from many years ago.

That was a cool one to walk through, sit in various positions, etc.

I was 15 and twig-like, and still had a hard time getting into the belly gun.

 
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