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It's bold generalizations/statements like this that hurt the Chevy name brand and the many new and wonderful cars they are starting to introduce. We are all Chevy fans, as we would not be members of this site if we were not. Before trashing a gearbox that's not even made by the company, do your research before posting something like this. A person just checking this site out for info could read that and immediately be scared away. The CTD is one of the best cars GM has put out in a long time! It's bad enough people don't even no about it.
I most assuredly agree with your response to the comment made by Tracepk. The transmission in our Cruze is somewhat different than most transmissions, but is certainly a good transmission. They use it because it will handle the greater torque output of the diesel engine and there are other built in advantages. If you don't understand why it does what it does, I can understand some disliking it, but it's certainly not substandard...IMO.

When I had the transmission in the Vette dynotuned, they took the smooth shifting slushbox feel out of the shifts while in the S mode and I really love the way it bangs the shifts. The tuner says such an adjustment would prolong the transmission life since it doesn't slide the clutches into and out of each gear. I really like the way the Cruze transmission operates...I noticed the idiosyncrasies at first, but don't even know when it shifts now.
 
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I went to the dealership today to drop off my Eco and look at the cruze diesel and I asked the sales guy and I said they had one but he didn't no u where it was. Eventually he found it at there lot a few miles away where they keep extra inventory. He said it wasn't a popular version of the cruze so they didn't keep it on the main lot.

He also told me that it is built in Germany and is shipped here and not built in Lordstown with the other ones.

I don't know if that is 100% true but that's what the salesmen told me.
 
I went to the dealership today to drop off my Eco and look at the cruze diesel and I asked the sales guy and I said they had one but he didn't no u where it was. Eventually he found it at there lot a few miles away where they keep extra inventory. He said it wasn't a popular version of the cruze so they didn't keep it on the main lot.

He also told me that it is built in Germany and is shipped here and not built in Lordstown with the other ones.

I don't know if that is 100% true but that's what the salesmen told me.

I believe the engine is built in germany, rest of it is assembled here if im not mistaken.The entire cruze line is based off their german counterpart the opel astra, Including the diesel.
 
I feel like people just want the manual for better MPG (which is reasonable) and to say they drive a stick, but at 46 MPG in the auto, I'm not willing to do the "extra work" a manual requires for a minimal MPG gain. I'm quite content with my 40 MPG (mixed driving) tanks. Now if this car wasn't my DD, I would be all over a manual.
This is exactly why I have a automatic 1.4T vs the ECO manual. I compared fuelly.com average MPG and the gain was only 2-5mpg better with the manual. Thing is most of that was only picked up on the highway so in real world the difference may be even smaller.

I'm more than happy with my MPG and am always amazed when $4 gas on long trips still only cost around $25 for 250 miles.
 
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If anyone thinks your going to experience that kind of driving fun in a stick shift 4 cylinder diesel, ...think again. With a red line somewhere in the 4k RPM range, and an exhaust note much like a muffled trash truck, it will be anything but fun...
The manual diesel is fun to drive - the fact that I have picked up 4 speeding tickets in the last 18 months, and am sitting on 11 points (12 points is mandatory suspension for 3 months, or pay $$$ and promise to break no more road laws for 12 months) indicates that.

And it's not as if I haven't driven fast and exciting cars before - I've driven Formula 5000 open-wheelers around tracks (yes, I'm old) - but what a modern European-designed diesel is capable of is quite surprising. Particularly to someone who thinks diesels are still back in the lug-lug-lug stage.
 
I went to the dealership today to drop off my Eco and look at the cruze diesel and I asked the sales guy and I said they had one but he didn't no u where it was. Eventually he found it at there lot a few miles away where they keep extra inventory. He said it wasn't a popular version of the cruze so they didn't keep it on the main lot.

He also told me that it is built in Germany and is shipped here and not built in Lordstown with the other ones.

I don't know if that is 100% true but that's what the salesmen told me.
I love how salesmen make up stories and state them as fact. (It is assembled in Lordstown)
 
The manual diesel is fun to drive - the fact that I have picked up 4 speeding tickets in the last 18 months, and am sitting on 11 points (12 points is mandatory suspension for 3 months, or pay $$$ and promise to break no more road laws for 12 months) indicates that.

And it's not as if I haven't driven fast and exciting cars before - I've driven Formula 5000 open-wheelers around tracks (yes, I'm old) - but what a modern European-designed diesel is capable of is quite surprising. Particularly to someone who thinks diesels are still back in the lug-lug-lug stage.
I hope no one mis-construes my earlier comment to mean you can't have fun driving a diesel Cruze...I'm sure that isn't true since I enjoy getting behind the wheel and driving mine. I'm focusing on the manual transmission issue and if you've driven both a manual Cruze and a gas Cruze, you have to have found that the diesel just doesn't present itself as a European style road racer rally car. Yes, it's got plenty of punch, but not because it has a manual transmission.

I have lived and worked in Europe for a total of 13 years, until my recent retirement and return to the states. One of my jobs as a US government employee required my office, under my direction to lease our every day office transportation for 52 employees and naturally all of them were European econo-cars. I drove every one of them, both diesel and gas, manual and automatic for many miles. By our contract with the car rental company, we changed them out every three months...trust me, we went through a lot of different cars in my last two years. Although the diesel had plenty of low end punch, when it hit the RPM limiter at around 4K, it was a huge disappointment compared to the gas car that could wind out to 6500 or even 7000 rpm. The enjoyment of driving these little cars, including Renault, Peugeot, Fiat, Ford, Mini, and Smart cars was pretending to be the rally car driver.

I'm not giving an opinion for everyone, I'm giving MY opinion...that's my story and I"m sticking to it...lol.
 
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Finally test drove a Cruze diesel today when I went to pick up my 2011 eco from the dealership, it was having work done.

I like the leather and navigation in the diesel but the diesel is $6,500 more than a new eco but only gets combined 1.5 MPG better. The Eco manual actually gets better EPA city milage by 1 mpg.

I don't think an extra 7 grand is worth at most 10 mpg better
 
I'd admit there were very good deals on leftover manual trans 2013 ECOs when I bought my CTD, and I thought a about it a bit. But in the end, I accepted that it's a 4 door FWD economy car. I'll get a manual trans again with something RWD.
 
Somebody said the Cruze auto was terrible, well I have the 6T45 auto in my diesel and it is silky smooth to drive so I really don't know what he is talking about.
 
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don`t know about USA but canada gets a manual diesel for 2015. check GM Canada website. both US an cdn come from Lordstown.
can`t think of a reason why you guys wouldn`t get it as well.
Are Canadian emission laws as strict as USA? Could be the reason USA doesn't get one as well.
 
Finally test drove a Cruze diesel today when I went to pick up my 2011 eco from the dealership, it was having work done.

I like the leather and navigation in the diesel but the diesel is $6,500 more than a new eco but only gets combined 1.5 MPG better. The Eco manual actually gets better EPA city milage by 1 mpg.

I don't think an extra 7 grand is worth at most 10 mpg better
We've done this before. We get the tq, reliability, better transmission, and numerous other things. Plus, every Eco I looked at was only like $2k cheaper
 
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We've done this before. We get the tq, reliability, better transmission, and numerous other things. Plus, every Eco I looked at was only like $2k cheaper
The 6 speed manual in the Eco is awesome. I like it better than the 6MT in my 2009 civic si I had before. The auto transmission in the 2014 cruze loaner I had for a week and the transmission in the diesel I drove didn't impress me at all.

I understand reliability and torque. The extra goodies with leather and mylink are nice but not necessary the difference in price was way more than 2,000 between the diesel and eco when I was talking to the salesmen running the numbers to see what the best he could do for me.

If chevy actually wanted to try and sell a few of these cars they would actually promote the TD and give it different trim options including a trans like the Eco manual. Until then the golf and jetta will be the king of the small diesel market.

The manual trans for the diesel has been engineered and sold in other markets in the same exact car with different logos. I could understand if this was a benz ML blue tech and it s isn't have a manual option but this is a frickin chevy!
 
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So you are just going to give a one word answer and not support it. I'm going off msrp, supplier invoice pricing along with trying to make a deal with a salesmen at the dealership.

And it wasn't like I was at a small dealership that doesn't sell alot of vehicles
 
The manual trans for the diesel has been engineered and sold in other markets in the same exact car with different logos. I could understand if this was a benz ML blue tech and it s isn't have a manual option but this is a frickin chevy!
The Cruze in other markets uses a different engine to USA. Also the volume sold most likely doesn't justify the engineering required to get the emissions to comply.
 
To be honest man, drive a bunch of newer 6 speed auto fwd cars and you won't be impressed with any of them. The extra gears make every 6 speed I've ever driven hunt every now and again and they're sometimes slow to downshift and numerous other little quirks that weren't there with 4 speed transmissions.

The Aisin af40-6 is one of the best of all the 6 speeds I've ever driven. I almost never feel a shift unless the transmission is cold. To compare any new automatic to a manual isn't a fair comparison.
 
I'll throw this out there. I ended up getting my CTD for $21,7** before taxes/fee's. Try finding a similarly equipped ECO AUTO that is not the same price within $1K.
You cant compare an auto Diesel to a manual Gas car and say its better and the price was $6k difference. They are two completely different styles of cars aimed at two different kinds of buyers. I love manual transmission's, and have/will always own one, but most people don't like to row gears anymore.
 
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