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Have you gotten the NOx recall done?

  • No

    Votes: 35 46%
  • Yes, and got P11DC CEL (or similar) within 1000 miles after (post details below)

    Votes: 22 29%
  • Yes, and no problems for at least 1000 miles after

    Votes: 19 25%
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Oh, wait, my bad - I had two threads open and thought this was posted in the other one.
 
Hard to say exactly what the metrics are, I voted I hadn't done the recall, now I have done recall and over 1000 miles with no cel. I would guess GM has the metrics. By previous mistakes dealers have made with other issues, it wouldn't surprise me if some of the problems may be on the dealer level. If that theory is correct, you have a dealer not following the correct procedures, then there are cel problems and those dealers are trying to correct it and may not know what they are doing. Very difficult to know when we don't have the metrics of the magnitude of the problems.
 
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Interestingly the GM tech said today that about 2000 CTD's have done the recall and only around 200 or so are having the reocurring p11dc issue. They are going to put an analyzing tool on my car that will help them find specifically when the cel is firing(speed/grade/temp/throttle..) while im driving.
Interesting they revealed that to you. Usually they say "your car is the first GM's ever heard of this issue" even if there's a database full of cases. At least they are being forthcoming. It is a great sign that they are doing this with your car - it shows they really are trying to get to the root cause and fix it. That makes me feel hopeful.

10% of everyone getting the recall done having their cars get screwed up in the process is pretty bad, although I believe the real percentage is much higher than that.
The sample size in this poll is much lower than that, but of the people reporting, it looks like more than 50% are having an issue. That being said, the poll specifically states over 1000 miles from the time of the recall, so that may play a role as well. I think a much higher percentage of those 2000 cars will eventually develop the P11DC.

Based on what I've seen on the other thread...it appears that those with the P11DC did not have the fuel trims reset by the dealership. And those of us who did, don't seem to have the code problem. Granted - this is a smaller sample size than the total CTD owner base...but it does seem to be the trend.
I confirmed with my dealership they did reset the fuel trims. I've so far had several CEL and one "Poor DEF" message.
 
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Latest update on mine. Since the CEL went out on its own, I have driven the past 1000 miles with no further issues, which is the furthest I've gone since the recall without a CEL. It seems as if it's happier when you let the light clear on its own, rather than resetting it with a scan tool. I will keep posting updates, and thanks to everybody else for posting your updates. This is turning into an epic thread. Thanks to @IndyDiesel for suggesting this poll!
 
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Maybe in a couple more months we do a new poll. Maybe a couple more options. As more get recall done it will provide more metrics. Assuming the longer to go without a CEL the better. Sounds like many had a CEL. Almost immediately or shortly after.
 
I confirmed with my dealership they did reset the fuel trims. I've so far had several CEL and one "Poor DEF" message.
Confirmed on your invoice?

Well so much for that theory. Dammit.
 
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Confirmed on your invoice?

Well so much for that theory. Dammit.
The service manager chatted with the tech about it. It's a small dealership with one diesel tech and me being the only CTD they service, so the combination of the conversation and checking the records confirms it.
 
The service manager chatted with the tech about it. It's a small dealership with one diesel tech and me being the only CTD they service, so the combination of the conversation and checking the records confirms it.
****, well the thought was solid up until that. I feel like there has to be something that causes some people to have repeated issues, and others to have none.
 
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I forgot to add this bit of info about my car. When I got the Poor Quality DEF message, I put the transmission into manual mode on the highway and drove at WOT at the highest RPM possible for a few miles. I then repeated this every couple days since then. (All the way up to 5000 RPMS). I am not sure if it's related or not, but since I started doing that, the CEL has not returned, and I am up to about 1200 miles since the light went out now.
 
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Interesting that the wide open throttle helped. I noticed that the service Regen runs at 3000 RPM, which is much higher flow and RPM than a normal regen (unless you drive really fast!).

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I am going to periodically check with my dealer to see if an update's been released. Anybody with any info on this please post if you get it before I do.
 
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Do not put the downstream NOX2 sensor on. This will not fix your problem. The dealer is following the standard troubleshoot procedure for P11DC written by GM. My 14 CTD did the exact same thing as yours. Got the recall work done, CEL came on during the drive home. I went back the following day the dealer slapped a new downstream NOX2 sensor in and it fixed it for about 50 miles. Truth is, GM has fiddled with the programming and they are chasing the cause. My CTD has been back to the dealer 4 times since the recall. In fact, it is there right now and has been there since Monday. The latest thing GM told them to do was put a new EGR valve in. I wanted them to replace the EGR valve on the second trip but no joy. Dealer had to order the EGR valve, will be in today.

If I were you I would call GM customer care and let them know what is going on. The CEL is directly related to the recall work and reflash of your ECU. They need to make this right for you. They broke it. You should not have to pay a dime for this work.
Thanks for the info. I was due an oil change, while I was in there I tightened the intake clamps. (Based off of how tight mine were I can see how some might say they were loose. I think they are just torqued to a low tourqe spec from the factory maybe 12-15 in lbs. I would say mine were "snug" not loose. But I tightened them regardless). My CEL is still off from when I recently cleared it. I have decided not to replace the second NOX sensor if the light comes back on I am just going to continue to check and clear the codes as long as nothing new comes up and Fuel mileage and drivability remain unaffected it's a far cheaper option.

I have a 2007 Pontiac Torrent the fuel pump started leaking fuel after we were out of warranty. I had a mom & pop shop change it, it cost me around $800. Fast forward about 10 months and I get a letter from GM stating that if I have had my fuel pump replaced by an "authorized GM technician" that GM will reimburse me for the repairs. (much like the DEF tank issue) Needless to say I had to eat the 800 because my shop was not authorized, however since I was out of warranty the dealer wanted about $1600 at the time. I have a feeling this NOX/P11DC thing will turn into a similar deal. I am not willing to spent $$$$ waiting for GM to get right.
 
I have found this the same for me, however, every time i'm driving i'm dreading the CEL coming on.
Latest update on mine. Since the CEL went out on its own, I have driven the past 1000 miles with no further issues, which is the furthest I've gone since the recall without a CEL. It seems as if it's happier when you let the light clear on its own, rather than resetting it with a scan tool. I will keep posting updates, and thanks to everybody else for posting your updates. This is turning into an epic thread. Thanks to @IndyDiesel for suggesting this poll!
 
Picked up my car this morning. They put a new EGR valve in. Drove it through some stop and go traffic this morning, so far so good.

This is what the invoice says:
Found P11DC-00 set current in the ECM. Ran through diagnostics for DTC P11DC. Diagnostics lead to NOX 2 replacement again. Called TAC. Case #8-2563982048. TAC advised to replace EGR Valve for the possibility of it leaking while hot intermittently. Verified EGR valve does not leak cold. Replaced EGR valve and gaskets. Verified operation and sealing. Air leak ratio 1:1 when commanded shut. Verified proper NOX sensor operation on test drive. Verified NOX operation with service regeneration. No DTC's after repair 4024770 .5 + .3 Diag.

Part #'s replaced:
55593617 Valve Kit
12647009 Plate
 
Picked up my car this morning. They put a new EGR valve in. Drove it through some stop and go traffic this morning, so far so good.

This is what the invoice says:
Found P11DC-00 set current in the ECM. Ran through diagnostics for DTC P11DC. Diagnostics lead to NOX 2 replacement again. Called TAC. Case #8-2563982048. TAC advised to replace EGR Valve for the possibility of it leaking while hot intermittently. Verified EGR valve does not leak cold. Replaced EGR valve and gaskets. Verified operation and sealing. Air leak ratio 1:1 when commanded shut. Verified proper NOX sensor operation on test drive. Verified NOX operation with service regeneration. No DTC's after repair 4024770 .5 + .3 Diag.

Part #'s replaced:
55593617 Valve Kit
12647009 Plate
Hope this is the answer for yours and others with the CEL after recall
 
EGR would make sense as the culprit. On the Cummins the were known to wreak havoc.. found out I could upplug it with no adverse reactions, except MIL, which becomes an engine running light! Not sure what happens on CTD if one did same.. but if the valve is leaking by when commanded shut, that would generate excessive soot, I'd think more frequently Regen as well..

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Picked up my car this morning. They put a new EGR valve in. Drove it through some stop and go traffic this morning, so far so good.

This is what the invoice says:
Found P11DC-00 set current in the ECM. Ran through diagnostics for DTC P11DC. Diagnostics lead to NOX 2 replacement again. Called TAC. Case #8-2563982048. TAC advised to replace EGR Valve for the possibility of it leaking while hot intermittently. Verified EGR valve does not leak cold. Replaced EGR valve and gaskets. Verified operation and sealing. Air leak ratio 1:1 when commanded shut. Verified proper NOX sensor operation on test drive. Verified NOX operation with service regeneration. No DTC's after repair 4024770 .5 + .3 Diag.

Part #'s replaced:
55593617 Valve Kit
12647009 Plate
Thanks for the update. That's interesting.

EGR would make sense as the culprit. On the Cummins the were known to wreak havoc.. found out I could upplug it with no adverse reactions, except MIL, which becomes an engine running light! Not sure what happens on CTD if one did same.. but if the valve is leaking by when commanded shut, that would generate excessive soot, I'd think more frequently Regen as well..

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As far as mine goes, I've seen less soot buildup, even with the CEL on.
 
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