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Despite many threads saying otherwise, P0420 does not always indicate a bad catalytic converter.
Totally agree. I have a worn cat at 200K mi. due to previous engine issues. To further clarify, from my own experience with p0420, the "catalyst efficiency" can be made to increase and exceed the threshold by which the p0420 code is set by correcting the engine issues. When monitoring my engine using Torque Pro ($5.00) and an OBD2 bluetooth adaptor ($35.00), I can track the pid "catalyst efficiency" in the "test results" tab. When my engine performance or driving habits contribute to a normal above threshold cat, the listed efficiency range is .35 to 4. My cat is usually .465 to .6, or above the .35 threshold, ie no p0420 code.
When the 420 code and cel is set, the listed efficiency range changes to .5 - 4 and my cat's efficiency has typically dropped to .3, or below the original .35 threshold. My guess for the increased threshold is to force a repair so that the numbers don't bounce back and forth without a resolution to the problem.
The code pops on from my engine's performance during excessive idling, sitting in traffic for hours, and once when I taught my daughter how to park for hours in slow motion;) The code happens a couple times a year.
Although my cat's .3 will increase to .465 just by resuming normal around town or highway speed driving over the course of several drive cycles, it will not exceed the .5 threshold necessary to keep the cel off. So I erase the code and wait for several drive cycles to once again have a "ready" catalyst on my emissions ready tab because the range returns to .35 - 4. And my cat number gradually increases to .6 until the next occurrence.
It is a game until I successfully repair the engine issue. The car runs great and the numbers look normal except under those seldom "extreme" conditions.
Too many words but my point is also, don't buy a new catalytic converter to turn off the p0420 cel without fixing your engine or discovering the cause first. New year's resolution, I gotta getta a smoke machine...
imho
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Just to add to the knowledge, The PCM tests the conveter 5 times before it makes a decision pass/fail. The pid for the test has to be set to active / inactive, while you are sitting there with your foot on the brake. Then it will set the test counter up one (1-5). Part of the test crteria are fully warmed engine, less than 1200 rpm, no more than 1.24 miles per hour. Now, we see why driving in traffic will have a tendency to set the code sooner. I work for many shops. I will diagnose one problem, give it to them to fix, and they will cause another problem, leaks, AM parts. Anything under the sun can cause a p0420, just hope that it sees the other issue before the 420. Once it sets the 420, it goes into some other defunct mode and rarely gives me any other codes. That may be because they aren't my cars driving them every day. It is well worth the money to buy a smoke machine. this is similar to the one I use. cheap and works great.
They won't let me give any links, no biggie, go to amazon and type smoke machine, look at spending 90.00, has lots of adapters, the best being one with a blow up bladder that allow smoke to pass through the middle (looks like a portion of a blood pressure checker). You will use for every p0171/4 code in the future. Hope this helps.

HTH
Mike
Wecome to the forum! Say hi in the new member thread. Thanks for the addl 420 info
 
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