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Meh. It's the luck of the draw no matter what you buy. Especially these days - QC has gone far down hill across most manufacturers.

My Cruze has been relatively OK the past couple months after spending lots of time in the shop the first year.

My friend previously owned a Civic for 8 years, and had nothing but trouble with it. My mom has owned an Accord and it has never had anything wrong with it.

We bought a Camry for my girlfriend after she had the last one 10 years and it was a phenomenal car. The 2012? It's been in the shop as much as my car has, for more serious problems (engine/transmission/suspension).

My sister has owned a Ford Escape (the first year was known for problems) for 7 years now, and it's been problem-free.
 
Toyota quality is improving recently as is their build quality. For a long period of time (I would argue from early 2000's until the latest models and even a couple current models) that Toyota was selling their name. My brother has an 06 Camry and my wife's 06 Mazda3 (a lower tier car) had a far better built interior and has proven to be far more reliable. My sister in law has a 2002 Rav4, which has received all the regular maintenance and they just had to put a rebuilt engine in it at 120k miles.

Toyota's change of leadership a couple years ago is paying big dividends now. Their new products are really competitive and the new Lexus products may just be class leading at the moment, besting the Germans and Americans...see the GS and IS...
Sorry - I think Toyota's gone the other way completely. Better driving dynamics and interiors by far, but the reliability has been completely overrated since 2007. We both had Gen 5 Camrys - and they were fantastic cars (one a V6, one a I4). The Gen 6 was a terrible vehicle all-around, but the 7 improved on that cheaply-made product. However, after this one, and component quality problems I've heard with them, I won't buy another.

I can't stand any vehicle Lexus makes. There's nothing class-leading about them.
 
So people don't take 'too kindly' around here if you refer to your Chevy as cheap but its ok to talk about your cheap Toyota. Did not appreciate being called stupid, not at all as I enjoy your posts. You represent this forum and if you want to close a thread, do so but don't call the poster stupid before pressing the close button :blowup:
Chill out Eddy.

The thread was the only thing called stupid, not you.

We've gotten so many reports from OTHER members (not just the mods) about your posts. They're along the lines of what I would call "completely unnecessary bashing".
 
Seriously? Do you have any seat time in the GS or IS? Not only are the material qualities really good but the GS F Sport drives really good (so does the IS F Sport from what I've read but haven't driven one yet). The materials quality is just fantastic. But it may not be your thing and that's ok too....
Seriously. I cannot stand the IS, ES, GS, RX...they're just boring. Their sole saving grace is a fantastic motor.


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Thats why, when extremely cold highway driving is about the only thing that generates heat. On a -14F day I took a 30 mile drive on curvy & hilly back roads. I had heat within 15 minutes, but took the engine all 30 miles to get to 220F but could not even use fanspeed 3 or my temperature would start dropping. Same thing happens in the city.

On the way home decided to take interstate, at 65-70mph in -14F I had no problem keeping 210-220F on the engine even with fan speed 4(max on my 2012). strange because at 55-60mph in the same conditions I get major temperature drop on fan 3 or 4.
Yup, as soon as I jump on the highway (5 mins from home), even near 0 outside, I have heat.

If I don't, I can drive around town for 15-20 mins before it heats up.

This engine needs either a load or RPMs to warm it up.
 
Eddy, the outside temperature doesn't seem it make a difference. Clean the vent channel on your surge tank and keep an eye on this channel. If coolant residue builds up there you can see it. Let your new dealership know if you find coolant there.
Well actually...Whenever I smelled it, it was <20F outside, heater on high, car warmed past 200F, and surge tank full to the top of the arrow. If it was above freezing, I would not smell a single thing.


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