Has there been any definite insight as to what will replace the Cruze diesel? Also, is the Cruze HB still going to be sold in the states since it's made in Mexico? Inquiring minds want to know. If this has already been discussed, I am sorry, but discuss it again...lol.
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With gas prices near historic lows when inflation is factored in, small car sales in the US have tanked. Even Toyota and Honda have seen their small car sales tank. If gas prices go back up (very likely if a Democrat wins the White House in 2020) GM and Ford will again be filing for bankruptcy again unless EV prices have come way down and the charging infrastructure is as commonplace as gas stations. I didn't include Chrysler as they haven't been a US company since FCA bought them. GM and Ford are both betting their corporate existence on Electrify America/Canada (a VW America/Canada company) to get a long haul recharging infrastructure in place and that their own in-house battery R&D and production will be ready to bring out BEVs (battery only EV) before gas prices go back up.
The big winner of this will be VW. Being caught knowingly cheating on diesel emissions gave VW the ability to look past the next quarter's profits and actually plan and start implementing a full electric fleet and recharging infrastructure. Toyota won't be the winner in this case; their Vice President of development recently said that he sees no reason to develop an EV and Toyota has been in bed with the Japanese government pushing Hydrogen Fuel Cells, which while it may work in the densely populated Japanese mainland, is very likely to not work when you have to truck (you can't pump hydrogen through pipelines) hydrogen everywhere.
The big winner of this will be VW. Being caught knowingly cheating on diesel emissions gave VW the ability to look past the next quarter's profits and actually plan and start implementing a full electric fleet and recharging infrastructure. Toyota won't be the winner in this case; their Vice President of development recently said that he sees no reason to develop an EV and Toyota has been in bed with the Japanese government pushing Hydrogen Fuel Cells, which while it may work in the densely populated Japanese mainland, is very likely to not work when you have to truck (you can't pump hydrogen through pipelines) hydrogen everywhere.
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I really think the heyday of diesel sedans is past. Emissions requirements are to a point that diesel emissions systems are simply too expensive to design and manufacture. In addition, outside North and South America, diesels are being banned from cities for the local health problems they create. Even London's black taxis are starting to switch over to PHEVs similar to the Volt with their diesel models being completely phased out by 2025.
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I have noticed you have not mentioned GM 's Cadillac division .
GM is betting big or fail with the new additions . Basicly all or nothing .
If by chance the new designs hit then GM will not have to worry about the outcome of the 2020 elections and just may back a DEM .
The U.S. is going electric and trucks are in the way .
GM is betting big or fail with the new additions . Basicly all or nothing .
If by chance the new designs hit then GM will not have to worry about the outcome of the 2020 elections and just may back a DEM .
The U.S. is going electric and trucks are in the way .
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U need to read more . Gm is betting big with their newly developed Cadillac platforms .
FOMOCO has not filed for bankruptcy protections ..
.Politically GM has encouraged it's unions to vote . Now there will be a division where these voters vote ...
Tactics man . We have already seen a backlash to recent agendas imposed by the Trump administration with newly imposed tariffs . This interrupted the standing Logistical relationship with other manufacturers ability to receive and ship parts .........
Diesel isn't going away .
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What Brian is referring to is Mary Barra's announcement a week or two ago that GM will be moving all their EV development to Cadillac. Since Cadillac has higher MSRPs right up front GM is thinking this division can be electrified first without too much impact on vehicle price.
As for electric trucks, there are now at least two companies that have shown prototype BEV (Battery EV) trucks to compete with GMC, Chevy, Ford, Dodge, and Toyota. Both these companies are start ups and neither is Tesla. If these new companies can get their act together and get over the manufacturing hurdles that Tesla is still struggling with, then the big truck manufacturers may have some serious problems down the road.
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Actually, they didn't apply for them. Like any government money, the "bailout" money came with serious strings attached. Ford's CEO had managed to turn Ford around a couple of years before the mortgage collapse. While the mortgage collapse clobbered all US auto manufacturers, GM and Chrysler hadn't made the financial turn around that Ford had made.
And before you think Toyota weathered this storm, the Japanese government had to purchase a huge number of shares in Toyota during this same period, but the US media ignored this bailout.
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I really enjoyed my 15 Diesel Sedan. But if I am being honest, currently diesel is 75 cents to $1 more a gallon than unleaded. There may be some longer life to the diesel but really only if you go illegal and delete. I don’t see the value personally in any diesel application unless it’s in a truck and I am going to pull something heavy. On the car side with fuel 30-40% more I am not sure why folks are missing it so much. I am not surprised they are going away. My 18 Cruze Premier listed for 29 and change, sold it to me for 21 and it has just about every feature besides size as a expensive suv or truck for almost twice the amount, the real reason they quit making them is the margin is very modest vs what the rest of people are buying. Just my two cents.
I'm looking at the Hyundai Ioniq Hybrid as my replacement for the CTD. I'm not buying GM again. I've owned around 10 vehicles, 8 were GM. But my worst experience comes on the newer ones when I go to dealers. I'm tired of their worthless dealer service departments that just throws parts at a car rather than actually diagnosis them.
You think changing brand changes that? LMFAO
Happens at every brand. It depends purely on the individual dealer.
No, I don't expect it to change the service. I expect it to change the reliability which impacts the need for the service.
LMFAO
The dealership group I work at has more than 10 different brands, the Hyundai dealership sells fewer new car per month than half of the group, including Chevrolet. The Hyundai service department has a warranty repair order count that exceeds the Chevy store by over 25%, and has warranty expenditures in excess of 40% more than Chevy. So not only are more cars requiring warranty repairs, the repairs are more serious.(this disparity is made even worse when you consider the fact that the Hyundai store labor rate is lower than Chevy.)
I remind folks talking about automobile reliability that they should take a look inside the service department.
I tell them that if they see most of the mechanics just sitting on their workbenches waiting for a job to show up it can be assumed that that brand is reliable.
I've been in every brand shop there is.......still haven't been in one with mechanics doing nothing.
Toyota still has the crown for most recalls but for some reason I am told they are reliable.......I guess positive advertising does work well for them.
Reality is, they are all machines designed and assembled by humans and things fail.
I notice all the techs. in the Apple store are busy as well......same applies.
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I tell them that if they see most of the mechanics just sitting on their workbenches waiting for a job to show up it can be assumed that that brand is reliable.
I've been in every brand shop there is.......still haven't been in one with mechanics doing nothing.
Toyota still has the crown for most recalls but for some reason I am told they are reliable.......I guess positive advertising does work well for them.
Reality is, they are all machines designed and assembled by humans and things fail.
I notice all the techs. in the Apple store are busy as well......same applies.
Rob
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I have a story here.......a Maytag story.
My first son was born December of 1975. My old washing machine decided it had enough of dirty diapers about 30 days later.
Off to the privately owned appliance store where the owner said I need to buy a Maytag. They hold up well. So, I did and it was delivered and installed two hours later.
My second son was born February of 1977. My old drier decided it was time to go to dryer heaven about a month later.....same routine, overworked with constant use drying baby clothes.
Off to the appliance store I go and the owner says I really should consider a Maytag drier for the same reasons as above.
OK, said I.....you seem to know your stuff.......two hours later, installed and running.
So, here I am writing this novel and........both machines are still in the basement, operating as I sit here.......44 year old washer, 42 year old dryer.
Both my sons long moved out, families of their own, living the dream and these two machines still doing their thing.
I sometimes wonder who will sign off first, me or them. I'm thinking they may outlast me unless writing this is jinxing the both of them.
I do know that Maytag still exists, but only in name. I am told they have become the same short lived junk that fills the big box isles now......how sad.
And that, my friends, is the rest of the story (stolen from Paul Harvey.....a years ago radio broadcaster)
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Maytag is owned by Whirlpool. They're built in Ohio, and most of their products are great. Our washer and dryer have been fantastic.
So not even close to junk.
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