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1.4 ECO - Thermostat Swap - 221°F to 176°F!

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Hotter engines produce more NOx.

I'd like to know how you all get 250 degree oil out of 180 degree coolant.

I've yet to see my oil get hotter then water.
In fact. I've yet to see it come close to water.

Even my semi don't get hotter oil climbing the mountains. Fan kicks on at 215. Hottest I've seen oil is 210. And it all cools right back down on the down hill side.
 
OIl gets it's heat from the engine. How can you make it hotter then the engine? Water heats up faster then oil.
Oil temperature is not connected to water temperature, the combustion of the cylinders is the main source of engine temperature. The old air cooled engines still heated up the oil because all the moving components generate heat. The oil in the gearbox (manual) and diff in a rear wheel drive race car require oil coolers to stop the oil overheating and failing.
Air cooled is a different beast and yes oil is connected to water. It heats and cools along side with water.
 
Air cooled is a different beast and yes oil is connected to water. It heats and cools along side with water.
Please explain the high temperature the differential oil in a RWD drive car can reach? So high in fact that in a race car the diff usually fails if the oil cooler stops working.

I found this on line: As you can see it would cause problems if the coolant reached these temperatures. As I own a diesel Cruze i know the coolant sits around 80C and my daughter's petrol 1.6T Cruze runs at over 100C.

For non-synthetic motor oil, the traditional approach is to try to hold oil temperatures between 230 and 260 degrees F. For full synthetic motor oil, maximum can exceed 300 degrees. In all cases, less than 212 will cause water buildup in the crankcase.
Why are you comparing water cooled engines to non cooled rear ends?
 
Why are you comparing water cooled engines to non cooled rear ends?
i understand you are concerned regarding NOx i have yearly emsission testing. MY car passed. if you did this and it did not pass then fine BUT YOU HAVE NOT DONE THIS MOD

as stated earlier ~~~ this mod is not for everyone. i am sharing MY temps and MY engine oil analysis and MY emissions regarding this mod that i have done to MY car.
please start another thread debating YOUR info you want to share.
And you did a darn good job too.

And I'm not off topic. From some of the posts. ?
 
i understand you are concerned regarding NOx i have yearly emsission testing. MY car passed. if you did this and it did not pass then fine BUT YOU HAVE NOT DONE THIS MOD

as stated earlier ~~~ this mod is not for everyone. i am sharing MY temps and MY engine oil analysis and MY emissions regarding this mod that i have done to MY car.
please start another thread debating YOUR info you want to share.
I'm not concerned about NOx. I merely stated. Cooler thermostats produce less. Could be why the imports appear to be running 180's instead of 190's.

NOx isn't part of the emissions test. Only HC & CO. And when OBD2 came out. Now it's just a simple test for codes. In my state anyways.

And no. I haven't done it. The gen2's don't need the mod.
 
I'm not concerned about NOx. I merely stated. Cooler thermostats produce less. Could be why the imports appear to be running 180's instead of 190's.

NOx isn't part of the emissions test. Only HC & CO. And when OBD2 came out. Now it's just a simple test for codes. In my state anyways.

And no. I haven't done it. The gen2's don't need the mod.
so, you do not have first hand knowledge of how the 1st Gen engine runs and behaves?


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Well. My 12 ran and behaved just fine. For the brief time I owned it. Does yours run and behave differently?
 
Can't you just replace the fan sensor rather then wiring up a switch?

And I don't know why you'd want to use a lower psi cap. 20 isn't going to hurt it.

The gen2's run the lower thermostat and still have the 20.
 
9 psi runs no different then 20 psi.

Gen2. 190* fan 210* 20psi
Gen1. 220* fan 230* 20psi

So why lower it?

It just means you've lowered your overflow threshold.

Boiling or not. And it probably won't. But you'll overflow sooner and easier.

Coolant doesn't have to boil to overflow.
It just gets hot enough to build pressure surpassing the cap.
 
Cooler then stock is all you need.

That colder 40* or whatever works wonders on parts lasting longer.

That stock temp for the gen1 is why you all have the problems you all have. I don't know what GM was thinking when they did that. It certainly didn't do wonders for their profits.
 
NOx increases as engine temps increase. As already posted.

That's why I"m surprised GM went with a 220 thermostat for the gen1. More NOx is produced.

Could also be why imports run 180. Less NOx.

And that. Is what's taught in emissions classes. Or was.

When I took it. It was mostly centered around Cali's smog problem.
 
Idk, but my oil temp is always higher than coolant temp after some driving. Not sure where the sensor is but oil temp 230-240. Coolant temp in the 220s.

2 different days. First one in park.. 2nd one idle in drive.
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Torque doesn't have the correct pid for oil temp.. you have to google and fix that. Mine never gets hotter.

It's impossible.

I've never seen it. In any vehicle or semi.