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NOx increases as engine temps increase. As already posted.

That's why I"m surprised GM went with a 220 thermostat for the gen1. More NOx is produced.

Could also be why imports run 180. Less NOx.

And that. Is what's taught in emissions classes. Or was.

When I took it. It was mostly centered around Cali's smog problem.
Apparently GM felt that hydrocarbon emissions were a bigger issue than
NOx was.
For what little increase you get in NOx from a 30-40 degree increase in coolant temps, I guess they figured that improved catalyst designs were up to the job of handling it...

As for import brands staying with cooler thermostats, maybe they figured the pros didnt outweigh the cons.
It would seem that with the Gen2 1.4s, that GM has finally come to the same conclusion that the imports did.
If GM had reached that same conclusion on the Gen1 engines, it probably would have saved them MANY millions of dollars in warranty claims over the past several years, AND give them a more satisfied and loyal customer base as well...
 
OK, let’s start!
I had multiple Cruze cars since 2011, unfortunately I can’t say I have/had one free of issues! Talking about the heating and cooling, I saw different & multiple issues reported by people. I did many changes to my cars during the years and I’m going to share with you a few interesting things about the thermostat, specific for 1.4L turbo (ECO). It can be similar issues for other trims, even for Diesel, but the cars I tested & modified are Cruze ECO 2011-2012.
Based on testing 4 cars, here are my observations:
First, the “input data”:

  1. The OE Thermostat on Chevy Cruze ECO (1.4L turbo) from 2011 to 2016, is with a wax thermostatic element that starts opening at 105°C (221°F).
  2. The OE Thermostat is also wired and controlled by ECM. Based on different algorithms and program codes, the thermostat can open at any temperature at any time, if the ECM requires that!
  3. The water temperature display gauge is… a joke! I monitored it for different cars and compared with data from OBD. The dial moves when the temperatures increases until… until 185°F (85°C) only! Then stays there, right before 6 o’clock, no matter how high is the real water temperature. When I tested this, I changed the coolant concentration, adding much more water into the system and let the engine run until the water started boiling. The gauge was at the same position max position, telling me “everything’s ok!
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4. The expansion OE tank cap is opening only at 20PSI.

Under all these conditions, the coolant temperatures during normal driving conditions stays around 220°-230°F. I said normal driving conditions because when the engine is overheating, the ECM controls and changes everything. It may open the shutter grille to help cooling down and also it can open the thermostat at any temperatures it “wants”, based on data collection. So, not only that you drive with coolant at high temperature, but also the entire system is at high pressure, since the tank cap opens over 20 PSI. In theory, a higher engine operating temperature helps improving its performances. Well, maintaining a higher temperature for the engine and cooling system requires also better quality system parts. Coolant’s boiling point is way too high under the condition I mentioned so everything is ok until… One small crack into the system will lower the PSI and of course the boiling point of your coolant. Add adding more water into the system and you will lower it even more until the coolant will start boiling time to time, without you notice it I replaced the recovery tank a few times, and many hoses all the time! Many others did the same things on this forum.
Sick of changing parts all year along I decided to change the thermostat and go “old school”. It took me a while until I found something that works but here is what I did. I bought a new thermostat housing 55593035Dorman 902-2080 (GM) that is for Cadillac ELR 2014 Chevy Volt 2011-2014. Do not buy MotoRad, it is a different new model, it will not work! You need the one with the “cage”, see the attachment. The housing is different from the outside, but the internal thermostat is fully compatible with Cruze’s thermostat housing. Push the cage and rotate as in my picture, then take out the spring and “cage”. The thermostat will come out relatively easy. It looks the same as the other one, only the wax inside is different and starts opening at 176°F (80°C). Be careful with the 2 legs, don’t bend them so they can go straight back into the housing.
I’ll not got into details of how to take out the existing thermostat, there are good posts on this forum. Put everything back, and make sure you have enough coolant. Then, old school again, I changed the tank cover with one that is opening at 15 PSI, not 20 PSI (MOTORAD T46 )!
I did this replacement on 6 ECO-s and these cars have between 500 to 3200 miles since. No issues at all! The temperature goes usually up to ~184°F then the thermostat is fully opened so the temperature goes down around 180°F. I didn’t notice any drastic changes to MPG! I have hot air blowing inside the car as I had before the swap.
I did all the changes I mentioned because me and my friends have multiple issues with the cooling system since 2011. If you like the solution and have questions, please let me know. I don’t want to argue with anybody about why GM built the system in the way it is so don’t challenge me! :p

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Did your modulations fix the issue with your coolant behind expelled through the overflow and then subsequently overheating.
 
Since the weather has been getting cooler, I have noticed that the coolant temps have risen by about 3-6 deg. F
It's especially noticeable in the mornings when the heater is in use, less so in the late afternoon when temps are warmer, and the heater isnt needed.
Here's what's i believe is happening:
Now remember, the 1.4s thermostat is on the INLET side of the engine, while the coolant temperature sensor is on the outlet side.

As such, its opening point is influenced some by return side coolant from the radiator temperature, and by the recirculation coolant from the heater core that's used to provide engine heated coolant across the thermostat's wax pellet.
Now in warm weather, the heater isnt used, so it doesnt loose any heat to interior airflow. In cooler weather, the heater core is used, and the coolant temp is reduced as it exits the heater, and returns to the thermostat housing. This cooler "sampling" coolant in turn postpones the thermostat's opening by several degrees, which in turn causes a slightly warmer coolant operating temp in cool weather.

So for these engines, this is a normal occurrence...
 
Update: since doing this mod about 4 mos and 4000 miles ago, i have had zero problems. Its now winter and i was curious as to whether the heater would be able to provide as much heat as before. Yeah. It does.
I have a 2012 diesel ans a few days ago the outside temperature was over 40C and the engine was at 78C. Today it was a pleasant 23C and the engine was at 82C. The a/c is set at 23C, so no heater was involved, so my guess is that as the diesel (in Australia anyway) has 2 fans it must simply supply more cooling in hot weather. I suspect one of the fans runs constantly when the a/c is on. My daughter's 1.6T which runs at 105C has just had a new thermostat at 90,000km.
 
I'm not sure what you are asking here.
But 176-183°F seems to be working great for me.
Fuel economy is better than ever, and my heater will end up running you out of the car if left at max...
I agree, I have digital temperature in my DIC and the round gauge starts to work at 51C, but even before that I am getting reasonable heat into the car. While 2-6C may not seem cold for winter it is cold enough to need a heater. I have automatic a/c and leaving it at 23C all year round works fine even at 40+C. By the way the Australian diesel Cruze doesn't have an electric heater and the engine runs at about 80C but takes a long time to get there in winter.
 
Is it correct to work open at 190 ° F in summer and 203 ° F in winter?
Does it matter whether it's summer or winter (190 ° F)

when the engine temperature is more than 194°F degrees
cooling fan works when the car stops.
fan stops when car moves.
Could the replacement of the thermostat break the fan?
 
Before you decide to perform this modification, read this: measure 1.4 thermostat resistance question, P0599
Heat and pressure are the enemy in a cooling system with many plastic components. The thermostat is a point of failure in the 1.6T engines. There is now available a metal housing for this engine which has proved to be more reliable. Perhaps this is available for the 1.4T as well?
 
Heat and pressure are the enemy in a cooling system with many plastic components. The thermostat is a point of failure in the 1.6T engines. There is now available a metal housing for this engine which has proved to be more reliable. Perhaps this is available for the 1.4T as well?
Not that I can find as I have been looking for quite some time.
 
Hotter engines produce more NOx.

I'd like to know how you all get 250 degree oil out of 180 degree coolant.

I've yet to see my oil get hotter then water.
In fact. I've yet to see it come close to water.

Even my semi don't get hotter oil climbing the mountains. Fan kicks on at 215. Hottest I've seen oil is 210. And it all cools right back down on the down hill side.
Idk, but my oil temp is always higher than coolant temp after some driving. Not sure where the sensor is but oil temp 230-240. Coolant temp in the 220s.

2 different days. First one in park.. 2nd one idle in drive.
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Idk, but my oil temp is always higher than coolant temp after some driving. Not sure where the sensor is but oil temp 230-240. Coolant temp in the 220s.

2 different days. First one in park.. 2nd one idle in drive.
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Torque doesn't have the correct pid for oil temp.. you have to google and fix that. Mine never gets hotter.

It's impossible.

I've never seen it. In any vehicle or semi.
 
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