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On the Amsoil website which AMSOIL Synthetic Manual Synchromesh Transmission Fluid .Which GM number belongs to the chevy cruze eco
Strange that the 2013 cruze owners manual shows automatic transmission change interval but nothing for the manual.
AMSOIL hasn't released a fluid recommendation for the Cruze manual transmission because GM keeps changing the part numbers. They've changed it twice for a total of three part numbers, and three different formulations. Synchromesh is a higher viscosity so it would not be a direct match.

That being said, our members have noticed that it shifts much smoother and lasts a lot longer. Combine this with the fact that the GM fluid is over $30 per quart, and that the transmission is underfilled from the factory for an insignificant fuel economy gain, the choice for many becomes very clear.
 
Okay, so questions, I drive with spirit more often than not, so I'd use the 75w90 setup, yes, but I think I've read something that saidthe 75 is not going to improve shifts quite as much. Is this true?

Second, I went and bought some Lucas 75-90 and it has limited slip additives, that's a no no, correct?

Just asking beforeI did the switch. .
 
Okay, so questions, I drive with spirit more often than not, so I'd use the 75w90 setup, yes, but I think I've read something that saidthe 75 is not going to improve shifts quite as much. Is this true?

Second, I went and bought some Lucas 75-90 and it has limited slip additives, that's a no no, correct?

Just asking beforeI did the switch. .
It dramatically improved shifts for me.

It's *not* as good in the first 1/4 mile in the morning when cold. Then it's absolutely fantastic the rest of the time.
 
Discussion starter · #44 · (Edited)
Okay, so questions, I drive with spirit more often than not, so I'd use the 75w90 setup, yes, but I think I've read something that saidthe 75 is not going to improve shifts quite as much. Is this true?

Second, I went and bought some Lucas 75-90 and it has limited slip additives, that's a no no, correct?

Just asking beforeI did the switch. .
Not all 75w-90 gear lubes are made equal. The recommendation here is for the AMSOIL 75W-90 GL-4 transmission fluid, not just any 75W-90. Sounds like you may have picked up a differential gear lube. What is the GL rating anyway?

The AMSOIL 75W-90 MTF is on the thin end of the 90 weight scale and is suitable for applications requiring an 85 weight oil like this transmission. It is specifically designed as a manual transmission and transaxle gear lube.

The AMSOIL 75W-90 will improve shifts just as much as the Synchromesh fluid. I noticed very, very little difference switching between them as I've tried both, but jblackburn had his 1-2 shift grind cured moving up to the 75W-90. Again, specifically the AMSOIL 75W-90. The biggest difference with the 75W-90 as noted is that the cold weather shifting will be a bit stiff for the first few shifts till the fluid warms up a bit. Unless that Lucas oil is a true synthetic, I would actually strongly recommend against it as this transmission seems to be pretty hard on oil from the oil analysis results I've seen and it will shear down the Lucas fluid in short order.
 
It dramatically improved shifts for me.

It's *not* as good in the first 1/4 mile in the morning when cold. Then it's absolutely fantastic the rest of the time.
This...

Not sure I trust it as I got Lucas to aerate on the hand crank display when cranking down on it by hand(not a scientific test, just what they give us to test with) Redline for some members didn't seem to last long and I kinda trusted that over Lucas as well.
 
Discussion starter · #46 ·
This...

Not sure I trust it as I got Lucas to aerate on the hand crank display when cranking down on it by hand(not a scientific test, just what they give us to test with) Redline for some members didn't seem to last long and I kinda trusted that over Lucas as well.
In the synthetic engine oil market, Lucas made an absolutely pathetic showing. That told me everything I need to know about how prepared they are for modern engines. Not at all.

In the 5W-30 viscosity, 15% is the API maximum, 13% is the Dexos1 maximum, and Lucas "full synthetic" came in at 14.9 with a very low TBN, no Moly, and no Boron. I would seriously rather use GM's oil over that.
 
Haha glad I checked. I'm an auto tech, but not fluid proficient. I fix stuff and build for power and trust others for fluid recommendations.

It is a gl4/5 deal, says full synthetic. Honestly, was getting some stuff for the Harley and some headlight bulbs for my car and as I walked past remembered this topic and decided to grab something. Brought it home and was looking at it and decided to check here before returning, friction modifier on the bottle was enough to make me weary.


As far as that display in the stores, that's of their additive, in engine oil it hides problems, and we'll but it also nearly doubles the thickness of the oil. I, personally, don't add anything to oil ever, I'll pull an engine and rebuild before that.
 
Haha glad I checked. I'm an auto tech, but not fluid proficient. I fix stuff and build for power and trust others for fluid recommendations.

It is a gl4/5 deal, says full synthetic. Honestly, was getting some stuff for the Harley and some headlight bulbs for my car and as I walked past remembered this topic and decided to grab something. Brought it home and was looking at it and decided to check here before returning, friction modifier on the bottle was enough to make me weary.


As far as that display in the stores, that's of their additive, in engine oil it hides problems, and we'll but it also nearly doubles the thickness of the oil. I, personally, don't add anything to oil ever, I'll pull an engine and rebuild before that.
Yeah by the time you add something to make your own special blend, you could have gotten a better oil to begin with. If you paid $700 with tax title tags out the door for something, then yeah. Your intent was to get by on short trips for the winter or as a parts fetcher until the engine build was complete and dropped back into your real car.
 
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Haha glad I checked. I'm an auto tech, but not fluid proficient. I fix stuff and build for power and trust others for fluid recommendations.

It is a gl4/5 deal, says full synthetic. Honestly, was getting some stuff for the Harley and some headlight bulbs for my car and as I walked past remembered this topic and decided to grab something. Brought it home and was looking at it and decided to check here before returning, friction modifier on the bottle was enough to make me weary.


As far as that display in the stores, that's of their additive, in engine oil it hides problems, and we'll but it also nearly doubles the thickness of the oil. I, personally, don't add anything to oil ever, I'll pull an engine and rebuild before that.
GL-4 fluid to be safe. A GL-5 has 2x the extreme pressure additives. Problem is they wear down soft metals like brass in synchros where the transmission calls for a GL-4. I can give you the technical explanation of why it happens. Some of the newer EP additives don't have that problem.

I never believed in a "mechanic in a can." I subscribe to the belief that a very good synthetic is the prescription for long engine life. The high film strength protects metal parts, and its resistance to oxidation prevents any kind of sludge or deposit. In other words, you never create the situations that would even benefit from such an additive.

Very cool to met someone else who wants to do things the right way. There are many people out there who just want the quick fix. The "mechanic in a can."
 
Discussion starter · #51 ·
so Im going to change out the stock crap an put in Amsoil 75w-90.. after that how often should i be changing the trans fluid?
After that, follow the GM recommendation of 45k miles under severe service driving. You could probably double that if you do 100% light highway driving.

The Synchromesh fluid is good for 45k miles but this being thicker should be fine for a tad longer than that.
 
Can i take my cruze in and have the trans fluid changed to the amsoil? Not proficient or skilled enough to do this my self. My 2015 cruze is at 400 miles and i want this to be the first thing i take care of. Any recommendations would be helpful! Thanks
 
Can i take my cruze in and have the trans fluid changed to the amsoil? Not proficient or skilled enough to do this my self. My 2015 cruze is at 400 miles and i want this to be the first thing i take care of. Any recommendations would be helpful! Thanks
It is not very likely a dealership will change your manual transmission fluid to Amsoil. There is a how to I have linked to, and it is very easy to follow.
http://www.cruzetalk.com/forum/129-...29-engine-transmission-tutorials/6627-how-change-manual-transmission-fluid.html
 
Can i take my cruze in and have the trans fluid changed to the amsoil? Not proficient or skilled enough to do this my self. My 2015 cruze is at 400 miles and i want this to be the first thing i take care of. Any recommendations would be helpful! Thanks
Depends on the dealership. Mine did with no questions asked.
 
Just wanted to throw in my 20mi experience since I swapped to amsoil today then drove home from work with it.

Shift feel? Still kinda "gear feeling" but much more positive. Drove light and heavy and couldn't get it to replicate the random half shifts I'd been getting where it seems to almost pop back out.

Shifts in heavy driving didn't just glide in like I had hoped, but you can be authoritative without it grinding like before.

Overall I'm happy. Maybe it will get smoother, but if it doesn't, its cool. I can feel a difference that feels like a healthier unit and frankly, mechanical feels in a car get my gears all Spinny anyways.

Next mods will include short shifter, which I'm slightly intimidated by because of the lack of tutorial for the newer boxes, and a tune.

Just thought I'd share my experience with everyone.

Gerald
 
Discussion starter · #57 ·
Just wanted to throw in my 20mi experience since I swapped to amsoil today then drove home from work with it.

Shift feel? Still kinda "gear feeling" but much more positive. Drove light and heavy and couldn't get it to replicate the random half shifts I'd been getting where it seems to almost pop back out.

Shifts in heavy driving didn't just glide in like I had hoped, but you can be authoritative without it grinding like before.

Overall I'm happy. Maybe it will get smoother, but if it doesn't, its cool. I can feel a difference that feels like a healthier unit and frankly, mechanical feels in a car get my gears all Spinny anyways.

Next mods will include short shifter, which I'm slightly intimidated by because of the lack of tutorial for the newer boxes, and a tune.

Just thought I'd share my experience with everyone.

Gerald
The shifting improves after a day or two of driving. That's what a lot of people have reported when switching to this fluid.
 
please tell me you're in Los angeles and if not what can I do to make mine do this? I have nowhere to work on the car by myself. Thanks
Denver. Ask your dealership - they may surprise you. The techs and advisers at mine were really happy I was switching to AMSOil.
 
Hi, I read your post about the tranny fluid for Manual transmissions but what about the 2012 Cruze LS automatic transmissions? Do they have similar issues with substandard thin fluid? Because I have noticed my car is jumpy on acceleration and shifts a lot while under 30 miles mph. A jerky ride for sure.
 
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