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On this car, even maintenance won't save you. The PCV check valve and the pressure regulator diaphragm are made of rubber that gets brittle and breaks. If anything, trying to clean it with a solvent might accelerate that process.
I understand. I wasn't really saying anything was going to keep it from failing I was just talking pcv systems in general that it helps running a good oil and good gas with maybe an occasional throttle body cleaning. I understand these will fail just a matter of when. The cleaner you keep the inputs into the engine hopefully the outputs will be cleaner. The only time I use cleaner was so I can see that the orange check valve thing is still there in the intake manifold.

I am not mechanically inclined and do not have the time or desire at this time in my life to use any kind of manifold permanent fix (maybe if i didn't have to drive to work everyday and can afford my car being down while I apply it I would do it who knows). GM won't because they can make more money replacing them. Engineers throwing the dealers a bone I guess.
 
I pulled off the corrugated hose PCV check valve as described and saw I have the valve still in there... now I can't get the dang plug back on. It comes close but the last few cm don't wanna go down. When I pulled it off, which took some doing, there was a plastic spacer on the manifold male end, and an o-ring at the tip of the plug on the hose end. I left the spacer on the metal end and put the oring on top of it. I confirmed the spacer isn't getting crooked but i can't seem to force it back down. Any tips?
 
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I pulled off the corrugated hose PCV check valve as described and saw I have the valve still in there... now I can't get the dang plug back on. It comes close but the last few cm don't wanna go down. When I pulled it off, which took some doing, there was a plastic spacer on the manifold male end, and an o-ring at the tip of the plug on the hose end. I left the spacer on the metal end and put the oring on top of it. I confirmed the spacer isn't getting crooked but i can't seem to force it back down. Any tips?
Took some force to get mine to fit back on. It snaps in the place.

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Any chances that this issue could have lead to a P0299? My Cruze went out of warranty 2 months ago and it threw the P0299 this weekend. The dealership addressed the PCV and intake gasket issue awhile back under warranty.

Hate to know what the dealership wants to charge to fix the P0299...just seeing if I have any room to argue with GM on this?

My dealership is good and will go to bat for me - I just like to provide them with the info upfront and they have been good about making sure things are addressed....my issue is now that I am out of warranty...
 
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Any chances that this issue could have lead to a P0299? My Cruze went out of warranty 2 months ago and it threw the P0299 this weekend. The dealership addressed the PCV and intake gasket issue awhile back under warranty.

Hate to know what the dealership wants to charge to fix the P0299...just seeing if I have any room to argue with GM on this?

My dealership is good and will go to bat for me - I just like to provide them with the info upfront and they have been good about making sure things are addressed....my issue is now that I am out of warranty...
Either the intake manifold or the valve cover failure can trigger a P0299. Without further diagnosis on your part or that of the dealer, we can't make a determination.
 
I guess my question is more general at this point....knowing I already had the intake issue addressed by the dealership - they have it documented. Just wondered if I show up with the P0299 if the dealership and I would have any leg to stand on, to say that the turbo issue was "caused" by the intake issue when it was under warranty but the turbo issue is just now throwing a code after I am just out of warranty?
 
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I guess my question is more general at this point....knowing I already had the intake issue addressed by the dealership - they have it documented. Just wondered if I show up with the P0299 if the dealership and I would have any leg to stand on, to say that the turbo issue was "caused" by the intake issue when it was under warranty but the turbo issue is just now throwing a code after I am just out of warranty?
It's hard to say. GM never redesigned either of these components so they can fail again. The turbo failure may or may not be related to either of them, if it did in fact fail. Unfortunately, I don't think you'll be able to make a solid case unless the dealer's diagnosis shows a related failure.

Most our P0299 underboost conditions are caused by the use of low quality engine oils, not PCV related issues, but a bad enough PCV issue can result in enough of a boost leak to trigger that code.
 
Most P0299 codes are from the pivot pin wearing out on the wastegate. Tolerances become too much for the actuator to compensate for and it flags the underboost code. That condition would be totally unrelated to PCV or oil used.
 
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Most P0299 codes are from the pivot pin wearing out on the wastegate. Tolerances become too much for the actuator to compensate for and it flags the underboost code. That condition would be totally unrelated to PCV or oil used.
Naturally, but there are some occasions where the bearings are shot and there's excessive play in the compressor wheel, which is the condition I'm referring to.

I'm honestly not sure which source is more prevalent. I've seen both.
 
Most P0299 codes are from the pivot pin wearing out on the wastegate. Tolerances become too much for the actuator to compensate for and it flags the underboost code. That condition would be totally unrelated to PCV or oil used.
That was the report from dealer on my P0299 code, replaced turbo at 70k miles. Have not had PCV issues or codes on this car. It also threw a code for catalytic converter and that was replaced as well with turbo.
 
2012 1.4 LT2 Check Engine light w/codes (p015b, p0106, p1101 and p2270). Dealer replaced PCV Valve Cover, and Intake Manifold. Replaced Water Pump for 2nd time, 1st one failed at 12,000 miles. Warranty work.
They installed a new serpentine belt ($28.31). Concerned as my Power Train 5/100,000 runs out in 01/18.
 
Having my intake manifold and cover replaced right now. Of course my car is just out of warranty so it is costing me around $1100 to fix. 2012 LT with 55,600 Miles. Seems to be around the mileage that this happens from the research I've done.
 
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Having my intake manifold and cover replaced right now. Of course my car is just out of warranty so it is costing me around $1100 to fix. 2012 LT with 55,600 Miles. Seems to be around the mileage that this happens from the research I've done.
You really could have done all of that yourself for $200 plus the cost of tools. I have tutorials up for everything on this forum to empower people to do their own work on their vehicles and save some money in the process.
 
I honestly didn't have the time or experience to undergo this experience. I'm traveling for work this week so was easier for me to just drop it off at my local mechanic and have him do it. Didn't go through my dealer as they were charging a few hundred more for the same work.
 
Having my intake manifold and cover replaced right now. Of course my car is just out of warranty so it is costing me around $1100 to fix. 2012 LT with 55,600 Miles. Seems to be around the mileage that this happens from the research I've done.
Man these are really failing. I wonder if GM will come out with a special warranty. The 50,000 - 70,000 miles seem to be the magic range the majority of them are failing. Silly a pcv failure costs 1000 dollars. It's a four dollar part on any other car and sometimes they are hard to get like you have to take the intake off to get to them but that is a couple hundred dollar job at most via the dealer.

Save your receipts in case they come out with a special coverage you may get reimbursed.
 
I honestly didn't have the time or experience to undergo this experience. I'm traveling for work this week so was easier for me to just drop it off at my local mechanic and have him do it. Didn't go through my dealer as they were charging a few hundred more for the same work.
I hear ya - sometimes with what life deals you the last thing you feel like doing is going out and replacing an intake manifold, fuel injectors and a valve cover just for a pcv failure.
 
Man these are really failing. I wonder if GM will come with special warranty. The 50,000 - 70,000 miles seem to be the magic range the majority of them are failing. Silly a pcv failure costs 1000 dollars. It's a four dollar part on any other car and sometimes they are hard to get like you have to take the intake off to get to them but that is a couple hundred dollar job at most via the dealer.
Most turbo engine PCV setups are different from the typical PCV valve on a N/A engine. Vacuum comes from two different sources, so some sort of check valve or baffle system is necessary.

But yes, the non replaceable check valve in the intake manifold that is unable to be replaced is idiotic. Valve cover every couple years wouldn't be so bad, but it too should be an easily replaceable part.
 
Most turbo engine PCV setups are different from the typical PCV valve on a N/A engine. Vacuum comes from two different sources, so some sort of check valve or baffle system is necessary.

But yes, the non replaceable check valve in the intake manifold that is unable to be replaced is idiotic. Valve cover every couple years wouldn't be so bad, but it too should be an easily replaceable part.
Yeah I realize turbos have to be different. The check valve in the intake manifold non replaceable is pretty dumb. Or could be genius get people top pay 1000 bucks for a pcv failure.

But in all seriousness there has to be some engineering reason as to why they require the fuel injectors be replaced. I can see the throttle body with the intake. Throttle bodies are not that bad and might as well get rid of the old one that might be all gunked up and put a nice shiny one with all the attached sensors. It all seems overkill but maybe they replace them thinking that everything is all carboned up so might as well replace it all just to be safe. I don't know. I guess only the engineers at gm know.
 
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